you wonder why rfc has been down the bottom for so long...

[keepa lids onit]

ive seen a few of coburgs games recently, more particularl since jade left to coach richmond and started dropping the senior rfc players. one major fact that stands out like a beacon is that coburg are playing much worse than they were at the beginning of the year.
today they played against a casey team who just lost 7 guys to the melb side (ok gained robbo), so pretty much a third of casey's normal side.
from what i saw there was 14 richomnd listed players. you would assume that such afl experience and a somewhat depleated casey side would result in an easy win to cobury......WRONG.

my point is, since these rfc listed playes have been dropped to play for coburg, the coburg team has been playing poorly and losing games. is it because jade has left....maybe.

i think its the fact that these rfc players are just not good enough. if they cant stand up and contribute in a major way against vfl players, what chance do they have in the afl.
we didnt have a coach, or list mgmt team with the heart to clean up the list the last few years and start afresh and blood some young pllayers. we just kept on keeping on with the average players. average players get you in the bottom 4. stagnating year after year.
if anything jade has exposed the true position of our list. surely they can now see that we are going nowhere with these players, and now the tough calls must be made to have a major clean out of our list. i wont mention specific names but many on the coburg v casey thread speak for me.
what do u guys think, cause ive just about had enought of our soft approach to list management, and us as a club going no where with average players.

 

[Tigers2011]

Agreed. The two times that I've seen Coburg post Rawlings, they've been deplorable. Clearly some of the RFC guys aren't up to VFL level let alone AFL level, while others look disinterested and are barely putting in.

Highlights the need for a 10-12 player turnover this year.

 

[keepa lids onit]

we should have had the b&%%s to do it years ago. surely now we have to cut around 10 players, prob more as you say.
it gets frustrating watching the same soft decisions year after year after year

 

[achillesjones]

The legacy of Wallace

 

[Tigers2011]

The legacy of Beck, Frawley, Miller and Wallace. Crap recruiting, trading, player development and coaching for 10 years at least. No wonder the club is on its knees playing wise.

 

[keepa lids onit]

The legacy of Beck, Frawley, Miller and Wallace. Crap recruiting, trading, player development and coaching for 10 years at least. No wonder the club is on its knees playing wise.

haha is the greg beck you were referring to. he was my sports teach in high school, for a year or two. gees he spoke alot of shiyte in school.....and he was part of richmond recruiting, or whatever he was doing or not doing. with people like that no wonder we have been shizen in these areas....

 

[Rosy]

i think its the fact that these rfc players are just not good enough. if they cant stand up and contribute in a major way against vfl players, what chance do they have in the afl.

Cogs, Tucky and Rance were the 3 top named best players. Cogs had 46 possessions so I don't think he's to blame.

 

[TigerPaul.71]

WE just Havn't been profesional enought over the years we need to follow our process and not waver from them.
We have failed for this reason.
I think this board is on the right track first miller then TW gone
now Going through the right process and following it throught .New Coach, 12 interviewed not one. Looking at exspanding our coaching department all good signs that all the right people are heading in the same direction which is the main thing.

 

[TigerMasochist]

No team attitude at Coburg.
There's a bunch of players to inept, old or disinterested to get back into the ones and they are just running out their careers.
Mcrae has no hope of polishing his credentials unless he puts some back to Coburg Magoos and gets the youngsters and rookies up playing seniors.

 

[dimmauchump]

Cogs, Tucky and Rance were the 3 top named best players. Cogs had 46 possessions so I don't think he's to blame.

I watched the Coburg vs Casey game, and while Coughlan unlike many others did work his back side off he made some very poor decisions for an experienced AFL player. Couldn't fault his endeavour though. Rance tried his heart out to run and create but lacked support. How Tuck got into our bests is beyond me. Every time he won the ball he would dish out these ridiculous handballs that looked like throws and most times would result in turn overs.

We can easily put a line through the following players - Schulz, Polak, Raines, Pettifer, Bowden, Hughes, Coughlan(unfortunate, although due to so many others that need to go, may get another pre season), JON.

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

Nearly 1,000,000 posts on here that clealry explains many reasons why the RFC has been crap and down the bottom for so long, that's the easy part.

Ask yourself klo, when will this club ressurect itself into a side like St Kilda or Geelong. Close to a decade I reckon.

 

[jamo]

Cogs, Tucky and Rance were the 3 top named best players. Cogs had 46 possessions so I don't think he's to blame.

Rosy he did nothing with them, as did Tucky, as they do when they play for the tigers. Getting the ball is one thing, showing some class with it is another, and unfortunately we have very few with the class.

I don't want to be negative about our players, but they are just not damaging teams with disposal.

Cogs trying to kick 15 m dinky passes with a strong wind, he obviously has no footy smarts at all, or no confidence.

We need to move these types on.

In all honesty I always suspected that 3 years out of teh game would cost cogs a career. clearly I am right. the game has past him.

 

[momentai]

I think I was a bit too optimistic in an earlier list on another thread. We need to cut deeper and look around the VFL, SANFL, WAFLE, for some 21yr olders +, who can kick and give a dam.

Yesterday Hughes, Raines, Thompson, Schulz, Connors, Oakley-Nicholls and Pettifer until injured, disgraced themselves and the jumper.

Bowden was ordinary but has played very well since his arrival at Coburg and deserves some slack. Ditto Browne. Graham, Rance and Tuck showed a bit of effort but were let down by skill errors. Cogs was easily our best and is a keep.

Mcrae and Johnson are doing nothing to suggest they have a future as coaches.

Delist: Bowden (but contract as capt coach of Coburg), Brown (disinterested and selfish), Hughes (no endevour), Johnson (retired), Mcmahon (disinterested front runner), Oakley-Nicholls (not up to it), Pettifer
(should have been paid off last year), Raines (hopelessly one sided), Schulz (Cameron's decision to give him two years should have Cameron write a please explain) and Simmonds (a good servant who could do well as a coach?) ie 9 players and 1 veteran.

Trade: Tuck, plus Connors and King in the unlikely event that there is any interest in these two, otherwise keep.

 

[Liverpool]

I think I was a bit too optimistic in an earlier list on another thread. We need to cut deeper and look around the VFL, SANFL, WAFLE, for some 21yr olders +, who can kick and give a dam.

Thats where the "recruitment infrastructure" comes in though and something we have lacked for many years.

You look at some of the interstate clubs who have the finances and thus the infrastructure....and they can get a Dean Cox or a Nathan Bock on a rookie list for a start because nobody else knows about them.

I don't want to go down the "tanking" path again.....but its why I feel its important to get these off-field matters up to scratch first (recruitment, development, and coaching) otherwise 'tanking' and gaining high-draft picks are another waste of time like it has been for us as a perennial bottom-8 club now for the best part of 20+ years.

Also, I'd love to see Richmond have a stand-alone reserves again.
I know about financial viability and all.....but I think having young kids come into the system, playing together, and having coaches with a mandate based purely on bettering players for the AFL team must be better than having a rag-tag bunch of AFL players and VFL players mixed together and playing selfishly to rack up numbers so they get back into the AFL team again.

 

[Silent Bob]

Cogs, Tucky and Rance were the 3 top named best players. Cogs had 46 possessions so I don't think he's to blame.

46 possies and some still want to write him off. I'm not saying mark is a superb user of the ball, but in yesterdays near cylone conditions you can expect a few missed targets.

 

[tigerlee]

46 possies and some still want to write him off. I'm not saying mark is a superb user of the ball, but in yesterdays near cylone conditions you can expect a few missed targets.

and made to look worse due to the level of the players around him. They make him look bad!

 

[seven]

The legacy of Beck, Frawley, Miller and Wallace. Crap recruiting, trading, player development and coaching for 10 years at least. No wonder the club is on its knees playing wise.

Doesn't seem to matter who we put in charge. We keep making the same mistakes. Take last years draft. We picked up 2 players who can't kick - thomson and hislop. Why? I understand the pool was shallow that year but still it doesn't make sense. Surely it wouldn't have been better to take a punt on a kid.
Rule 1: If they can't kick don't draft 'em. I don't care how fast they can run or what a great pair of hands they have. If they are going to keep turning the ball by foot then they become a liability.

When will this club ever learn.