Young Ruckmen

[the claw]

I agree with TOT. When Jolly went to the Swans he had shown nothing, which was why he was picked to go over Jamar IIRC. Of course it was a huge mistake by Melbourne.

he showed enough for sydney to offer a first round pick for him.
he came of the rookie list in 2001 played a handful of games.. played most games in 2002 and showed a bit for a 21 yo. ditto for 2003. 2004 he had a poor yr managing just 7 games. it was this poor yr that led to melb letting him go or choosing jamar over him.

the similarities between jamar and graham is they both came of the rookie list but jolleys progress was much quicker than angus.

imo we are playing a bloke in the second ruck role who will not make the grade he gets belted every week, and yet we wont do what melb did with a young darren jolley and that is give a bloke of the rookie list a go. they have to start somewhere. does anyone remember the 2 games he gave us last yr, i thought he showed enough. imo cartledge would be a better ruck option than pattison as well, its a furphy we have no one else to play other than pattison we have two players who need to be given a go you just never know and they could do no worse than pattison.

He'd shown less than Wood had prior to last years trade period. The Swans were desperate for a ruckman at the time.

i dont think they were desperate at all. they had ball who become a good player once he went to sydney, doyle at 204 cm and over 100kg. a youngster in ericksen at 205 skinny ex basketballer. of course they had goodes who did play ruck in his early games but was more of a ruckrover,and a rookie in shaw and of course they got jolley.

 

[IanG]

He had....

on what grounds do you say that?

My observations of Melbourne at the time. OK I'm obviously exaggerating about him showing nothing but he hadn't shown anything near to justifying the pick that was exchanged.

 

[Scoop]

You dont get offered a 1st round draft pick for a player thats shown "nothing".

Correct.

imo we are playing a bloke in the second ruck role who will not make the grade he gets belted every week, and yet we wont do what melb did with a young darren jolley and that is give a bloke of the rookie list a go. they have to start somewhere. does anyone remember the 2 games he gave us last yr, i thought he showed enough. imo cartledge would be a better ruck option than pattison as well, its a furphy we have no one else to play other than pattison we have two players who need to be given a go you just never know and they could do no worse than pattison.

Double Agree. Taking Cartledge and not giving him a chance to prove if he is up to is another wasted rookie pick We are screaming out for a contact ruckman. A large body to make a contest for 10-12 minutes spurts. Cartledge needs to be given a chance to try the Trent Knoblel role.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

You dont get offered a 1st round draft pick for a player thats shown "nothing".

As 1 21-22 y.o he had a respectable season, playing most games an averaging 7 touches and 13 hitouts. Then he played a terrible (I presume injury hit) season and was traded. Despite the usual rubbish on PRE that presumes the AFL is crawling with good young second rucks, getting 13 hitouts a game is pretty good for a 2nd ruck youngster.

A large body to make a contest for 10-12 minutes spurts.

It was very pleasing to hear that it was 'almost brutal' watching Gus ruck against Box Hill because he was playing the man so hard. A lad of that size who can jump- it's enough to keep the Jeff Whites and Josh Frasers of the world having even more sleepless nights that they do already.

 

[deledio3]

I reckon Jamie Charman's a bit stiff not to be included.

Sandilands?

 

[Streak]

Sandilands?

I honestly reckon the jury is still out here. Is still a liability around the ground IMO, and while he gets a lot of hitouts the Dockers don't win the clearances.

Is it his fault or his midfield? I am not sure, but while the problem continues to persist for the Dockers, I'd lean more and more towards the former being the issue.

 

[Streak]

I reckon Jamie Charman's a bit stiff not to be included.

Agree, and Lade.