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Pick 53: Jack Graham

Ellis was 2nd round with 5 years at 600k.

Graham will surely be in the Matt White/Luke McGuane zero compo bracket. I think they were 2-3 years at $350k which is about right for Graham if he can attract anything at all.
Firstly we got shafted with the Ellis compo bc that wanker Barrett kicked up a stink about it in the leadup daring the afl to give richmond the reigning premiers another first round pick in compo.

Secondly, Graham is in our top 25% of paid players, absolutely no way he's leaving on $350k per year. We'll get a band 2 or whatever it is they call it
 
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Firstly we got shafted with the Ellis compo bc that wanker Barrett kicked up a stink about it in the leadup daring the afl to give richmond the reigning premiers another first round pick in compo.

Secondly, Graham is in our top 25% of paid players, absolutely no way he's leaving on $350k per year. We'll get a band 2 or whatever it is they call it
Um, yeah Damien Barrett had zero influence on what compo we received for Ellis.

Compo is a calc and not about feelings and previous contracts.

Graham will be getting a pay cut from us if he stays and won’t be getting any deal elsewhere that is going to have him in the top 25% of paid players at other clubs.

Get yourself nice any comfy for a late round pick at best or no compo at all which will be the correct outcome based on what he’ll likely get elsewhere.
 
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I dont think this is correct- the different formula bit.
Agree. UFA compo is worse on average because a players age is taken in account.

UFA’s on average are older than RFA’s which is why compo might look worse, but I think there is no formula difference.
 
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Um, yeah Damien Barrett had zero influence on what compo we received for Ellis.

Compo is a calc and not about feelings and previous contracts.

Graham will be getting a pay cut from us if he stays and won’t be getting any deal elsewhere that is going to have him in the top 25% of paid players at other clubs.

Get yourself nice any comfy for a late round pick at best or no compo at all which will be the correct outcome based on what he’ll likely get elsewhere.
He started a snowball of sentiment and the afl knew the optics of the the reigning premier receiving a first rounder wouldnt look great. It was the talk of the industry in that last 2 weeks before it happened - the rat did his job in creating a buzz about it and making it a talking point.

Its actually not just about calculations, they purposefully add a number of factors into the equation to leave enough of a grey area that they can manufacture an outcome. We all know the afl love to manufacture an outcome. Brando got a slightly better deal than Motlop, motlop = first rounder, brando = second rounder. We were stitched up
 
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He started a snowball of sentiment and the afl knew the optics of the the reigning premier receiving a first rounder wouldnt look great. It was the talk of the industry in that last 2 weeks before it happened - the rat did his job in creating a buzz about it and making it a talking point.

Its actually not just about calculations, they purposefully add a number of factors into the equation to leave enough of a grey area that they can manufacture an outcome. We all know the afl love to manufacture an outcome. Brando got a slightly better deal than Motlop, motlop = first rounder, brando = second rounder. We were stitched up
Regardless, Graham won’t achieve numbers anywhere near what Motlop & Ellis received, and will likely not get a contract value at half what those two received.

Once he does it’ll be no compo
 
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I dont think this is correct- the different formula bit.
Ok that's what I read when I researched before. What is undisputed is that historically unrestricted free agents rarely gain first round compensation, I could only see one in this list.

2023 Free Agents​


PlayerFree agent typeRecruited fromNew clubCompensation
James JordonUnrestrictedMelbourneSydneyEnd of Second Round
Matt FlynnUnrestrictedGreater Western SydneyWest CoastEnd of Second Round
Joel HamlingUnrestrictedFremantleSydneyNone
Tom DoedeeRestrictedAdelaideBrisbane LionsEnd of First Round
Todd GoldsteinUnrestrictedNorth MelbourneEssendonNone
Ben McKayRestrictedNorth MelbourneEssendonFirst Round

History of AFL free agent moves and compensation​

2022 Free Agents​

PlayerFree agent typeRecruited fromNew clubCompensation
Karl AmonUnrestrictedPort AdelaideHawthornPick 30
Jayden HuntUnrestrictedMelbourneWest CoastPick 52
Daniel McStayUnrestrictedBrisbane LionsCollingwoodPick 35
Liam JonesUnrestrictedCarltonWestern BulldogsPick 47
Zaine CordyUnrestrictedWestern BulldogsSt KildaNone
Francis EvansDelistedGeelongPort AdelaideNone
Fergus Greene

[TD]Delisted[/TD]
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[TD]Hawthorn[/TD]
[TD]None[/TD]


2021 Free Agents​

PlayerFree agent typeRecruited fromNew clubCompensation
Jake KellyUnrestrictedAdelaideEssendonPick 42
Mabior CholUnrestrictedRichmondGold CoastPick 38
George HewettRestrictedSydneyCarltonPick 40
Luke DunstanUnrestrictedSt KildaMelbourneNone
Tim O'BrienUnrestrictedHawthornWestern BulldogsNone
Jarrod BranderDelistedWest CoastGreater Western SydneyNone
Sam SkinnerDelistedSouth Adelaide
(SANFL)
Port AdelaideNone
Tom CampbellDelistedNorth MelbourneSt KildaNone
Tyson StengleDelistedWoodville-West Torrens
(SANFL)
GeelongNone
Hugh GreenwoodDelistedGold CoastNorth MelbourneNone

2020 Free Agents​


PlayerDateFree agent typeFormer clubNew clubCompensation
Rory Atkins30 OctoberUnrestrictedAdelaideGold CoastPick 40
Isaac SmithUnrestrictedHawthornGeelongPick 46
Joe DaniherRestrictedEssendonBrisbane LionsPick 7
Aidan CorrRestrictedGreater Western SydneyNorth MelbournePick 31
Zac WilliamsRestrictedGreater Western SydneyCarltonPick 10
Brad Crouch4 NovemberRestrictedAdelaideSt KildaPick 23
Shaun McKernan6 NovemberUnrestrictedEssendonSt KildaNone
James Frawley26 NovemberDelistedHawthornSt KildaNone
Mitch HingeDelistedBrisbane LionsAdelaideNone

2019 Free Agents​


PlayerDateFree agent typeFormer clubNew clubCompensation
Brandon Ellis4 OctoberRestrictedRichmondGold CoastPick 44
Cam Ellis-Yolmen5 OctoberUnrestrictedAdelaideBrisbane LionsPick 48
Adam Tomlinson7 OctoberUnrestrictedGreater Western SydneyMelbournePick 40
Grant Birchall10 OctoberUnrestrictedHawthornBrisbane LionsNone
Wylie Buzza1 NovemberDelistedGeelongPort AdelaideNone
Jack NewnesDelistedSt KildaCarltonNone
Kaiden BrandDelistedHawthornSydneyNone
Sam GrayDelistedPort AdelaideSydneyNone
Ryan Abbott22 NovemberDelistedGeelongSt KildaNone
Josh Walker29 NovemberDelistedBrisbane LionsNorth MelbourneNone

2018 Free Agents​


PlayerDateFree agent typeFormer clubNew clubCompensation
Reece Conca5 OctoberUnrestrictedRichmondFremantleNone
Luke DahlhausUnrestrictedWestern BulldogsGeelongPick 32
Tom Lynch8 OctoberRestrictedGold CoastRichmondPick 3
Scott Lycett9 OctoberRestrictedWest CoastPort AdelaidePick 23
Alex Fasolo10 OctoberUnrestrictedCollingwoodCarltonPick 55
Jarryd Lyons1 NovemberDelistedGold CoastBrisbane LionsNone
Tom SheridanDelistedFremantleGreater Western SydneyNone
Darren MinchingtonDelistedSt KildaHawthornNone
Jordan Murdoch7 NovemberDelistedGeelongGold CoastNone
Daniel Menzel14 NovemberDelistedGeelongSydneyNone

2017 Free Agents​

PlayerDateFree agent typeFormer clubNew clubCompensation
Jackson Trengove6 October 2017RestrictedPort AdelaideWestern BulldogsNone
Tom Rockliff11 October 2017RestrictedBrisbane LionsPort AdelaidePick 18
Steven Motlop14 October 2017RestrictedGeelongPort AdelaidePick 19
Alex Morgan1 November 2017DelistedEssendonNorth MelbourneNone
Aaron Mullett1 November 2017DelistedNorth MelbourneCarltonNone
Lachlan Keeffe2 November 2017DelistedCollingwoodGreater Western SydneyNone
Trent McKenzie2 November 2017DelistedGold CoastPort AdelaideNone
Jack Trengove3 November 2017DelistedMelbournePort AdelaideNone

2016 Free Agents​


PlayerDateFree agent typeFormer clubNew clubCompensation
Ty Vickery10 October 2016RestrictedRichmondHawthornPick 29
Daniel Wells11 October 2016UnrestrictedNorth MelbourneCollingwoodPick 36
Chris Mayne12 October 2016UnrestrictedFremantleCollingwoodPick 25
Nathan Brown16 October 2016RestrictedCollingwoodSt KildaNone
James Kelly4 November 2016DelistedEssendonEssendonNone
Matt Dea4 November 2016DelistedEssendonEssendonNone
Michael Barlow8 November 2016DelistedFremantleGold CoastNone
Ricky Henderson8 November 2016DelistedAdelaideHawthornNone
Josh Green15 November 2016DelistedBrisbane LionsEssendonNone

2015 Free Agents​

PlayerDateFree agent typeFormer clubNew clubCompensation
Matt Suckling12 October 2015UnrestrictedHawthornWestern BulldogsPick 38
Scott Selwood12 October 2015RestrictedWest CoastGeelongPick 37
Matthew Leuenberger15 October 2015RestrictedBrisbane LionsEssendonPick 39
Dawson Simpson16 October 2015UnrestrictedGeelongGreater Western SydneyNone
Andrew Moore6 November 2015DelistedPort AdelaideRichmondNone
Jarrad Grant6 November 2015DelistedWestern BulldogsGold CoastNone
Daniel Gorringe9 November 2015DelistedGold CoastCarltonNone
Matthew Wright26 November 2015DelistedAdelaideCarltonNone

2014 Free Agents​


PlayerDateFree agent typeFormer clubNew clubCompensation
Jarrad Waite3 October 2014UnrestrictedCarltonNorth MelbourneNone
Shaun Higgins3 October 2014RestrictedWestern BulldogsNorth MelbournePick 27
James Frawley6 October 2014UnrestrictedMelbourneHawthornPick 3
Nick Malceski6 October 2014UnrestrictedSydneyGold CoastPick 39
James Gwilt11 October 2014UnrestrictedSt KildaEssendonNone
Taylor Hunt2 November 2014DelistedGeelongRichmondNone
Tim Membrey5 November 2014DelistedSydneySt KildaNone
Joel Hamling2 November 2014DelistedGeelongWestern BulldogsNone
Sam Blease3 November 2014DelistedMelbourneGeelongNone
Mitch Robinson3 November 2014DelistedCarltonBrisbane LionsNone
Ben Newton5 November 2014DelistedPort AdelaideMelbourneNone
Matthew *smile*5 November 2014DelistedSydneyCarltonNone

2013 Free Agents​

PlayerDateFree agent typeFormer clubNew clubCompensation
Matthew White4 October 2013UnrestrictedRichmondPort AdelaideNone
Colin Sylvia4 October 2013RestrictedMelbourneFremantlePick 23
Eddie Betts4 October 2013RestrictedCarltonAdelaideNone
Lance Franklin8 October 2013RestrictedHawthornSydneyPick 19
Dale Thomas9 October 2013RestrictedCollingwoodCarltonPick 11
Xavier Ellis16 October 2013UnrestrictedHawthornWest CoastNone
Nick Dal Santo18 October 2013RestrictedSt KildaNorth MelbournePick 25
Daniel Cross1 November 2013DelistedWestern BulldogsMelbourneNone
Jeremy Laidler1 November 2013DelistedCarltonSydneyNone
Luke McGuane4 November 2013DelistedRichmondBrisbane LionsNone
Dylan Addison7 November 2013DelistedWestern BulldogsGreater Western SydneyNone
Tony Armstrong7 November 2013DelistedSydneyCollingwoodNone
Robin Nahas8 November 2013DelistedRichmondNorth MelbourneNone
Aidan Riley11 November 2013DelistedAdelaideMelbourneNone
Tom Derickx18 November 2013DelistedRichmondSydneyNone

2012 Free Agents​

PlayerDateFree agent typeFormer clubNew clubCompensation
Danyle Pearce1 October 2012RestrictedPort AdelaideFremantlePick 29
Brendon Goddard1 October 2012RestrictedSt KildaEssendonPick 13
Chris Knights1 October 2012UnrestrictedAdelaideRichmondNone
Troy Chaplin1 October 2012RestrictedPort AdelaideRichmondPick 30
Quinten Lynch2 October 2012UnrestrictedWest CoastCollingwoodPick 60
Shannon Byrnes4 October 2012UnrestrictedGeelongMelbourneNone
Tom Murphy12 October 2012UnrestrictedHawthornGold CoastNone
Brent Moloney12 October 2012RestrictedMelbourneBrisbane LionsPick 49
Jared Rivers18 October 2012UnrestrictedMelbourneGeelongNone
Clinton Young19 October 2012UnrestrictedHawthornCollingwoodPick 64
Jonathan Simpkin1 November 2012DelistedGeelongHawthornNone
Tom Gillies13 November 2012DelistedGeelongMelbourneNone
Dylan Roberton30 November 2012DelistedFremantleSt KildaNone
Nick Lower3 December 2012DelistedFremantleWestern BulldogsNone
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Firstly we got shafted with the Ellis compo bc that wanker Barrett kicked up a stink about it in the leadup daring the afl to give richmond the reigning premiers another first round pick in compo.

Secondly, Graham is in our top 25% of paid players, absolutely no way he's leaving on $350k per year. We'll get a band 2 or whatever it is they call it
Doesn't the 25% just qualify Graham as UFA. The compensation depends on age and new offered contract and what other secret herbs and spices the AFL decide to use?
 
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Doesn't the 25% just qualify Graham as UFA. The compensation depends on age and new offered contract and what other secret herbs and spices the AFL decide to use?
Yeah it shows hes a highly paid player and contrary to what most fans think, a player in his peak years that would be wanted by more than one team (in this case 2 or 3) will not go backwards in wages, certainly wont get offered a wage that is the average afl wage these days. He'll get paid reasonably well and we'll get reasonable compensation. happy to revisit this at seasons end
 
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Yeah it shows hes a highly paid player and contrary to what most fans think, a player in his peak years that would be wanted by more than one team (in this case 2 or 3) will not go backwards in wages, certainly wont get offered a wage that is the average afl wage these days. He'll get paid reasonably well and we'll get reasonable compensation. happy to revisit this at seasons end
You'd think an end of 2nd or 3rd rounder which in our case appears it would be close to the same pick. Reasonable based on where he's at, not on the promise he showed in his first year. Was #56 pick so would be a net positive over the long-term.
 
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Yeah it shows hes a highly paid player and contrary to what most fans think, a player in his peak years that would be wanted by more than one team (in this case 2 or 3) will not go backwards in wages, certainly wont get offered a wage that is the average afl wage these days. He'll get paid reasonably well and we'll get reasonable compensation. happy to revisit this at seasons end

Not sure this will be true re: Graham not going backwards in wages.

He was in a rich vein of form and Carlton came knocking with a big contract last time.

His form (and ceiling that he will get to) have so far dropped off since then.

Suspect he might go backwards in wages. Absolute best we might get an end of second rd pick. Suspect it won't be that much though.
 
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Just looking at the bands for free agency and going by the 2023 player earnings x number of primary players I was able to do a simple rough calculation of the kind of salary most likely required per band.

Needs a min. 2 year contract and there are bonus points for age which aren't included.

Band 1 - 1st round pick = $900+k

Band 2 - end of 1st round pick = $700+k

Band 3 - 2nd round pick = $550+k

Band 4 - end of 2nd round pick = $400+k

Band 5 - 3rd round pick = $300+k
 
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Just looking at the bands for free agency and going by the 2023 player earnings x number of primary players I was able to do a simple rough calculation of the kind of salary most likely required per band.

Needs a min. 2 year contract and there are bonus points for age which aren't included.

Band 1 - 1st round pick = $900+k

Band 2 - end of 1st round pick = $700+k

Band 3 - 2nd round pick = $550+k

Band 4 - end of 2nd round pick = $400+k

Band 5 - 3rd round pick = $300+k
Richmond band 6 regardless of contract size
 
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Tom Morris says Wet Coke want Jackie G.

How's my idea: Graham + Baker + X ? round picks for Harley Reid. Deal or no deal.
 
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How TF did we get better compo for Cholly than we got for 2 time premiership player at prime age Bobble Ellis ??
 
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