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mrposhman

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Yep, as it turned out.

The pitch got slower as the game went on, hence England struggling at the back end of their innings.
Williamson was very unlucky, he was set on 27, and averaging over 100 for the World Cup, and got run out at the non strikers end by a deflection off the bowler.


Williamson was unlucky, however reading between the lines, you are indicating it was a massive impact. My point is the outcome is simple, score 300 against NZ and they won't chase it down. Having Williamson at 3 and Taylor at 4 sucks way too many deliveries and forces the rest to chase the game. If Guptil was in form it may paper over that fact, but whilst Williamson is a good batsmen, he can't play the same role of a Root, Kohli or Smith as he doesn't generally have the dynamism of the batsmen around him so therefore the run rate slows too much.

Just check out his strike rate, his average is great but the strike rate is either because their openers are rubbish and he constantly rebuilds (a bit of that, but Guptils not rubbish just out of form) or he doesn't have the acceleration.

Root - 500 runs, 62.5 average (1 not outs), strike rate 91.74, 9 innings, 5 scores over 50, 2 of them over 100, score over 50 56% of the time
Kohil - 408 runs, 58.3 average (no not outs), strike rate 96.22, 7 innings, 5 scores over 50, no centuries, score over 50 78% of the time
Smith - 287 runs, 35.9 average (no not outs), strike rate 90.82, 8 innings, 3 scores over 50, no centuries, score over 50 38% of the time

Williamson - 481 runs, 96.2 average (2 not outs), strike rate 77.2, 7 innings, 3 scores over 50, 2 centuries, score over 50 43% of the time

Whilst Williamson is a good bat, and a very good one at test match level unless he's got some massive hitters around him, you'd fancy beating them if you scored over 280 every single time. Their whole game plan is for Boult and Ferguson to get you out cheaply, don't do that and they won't win.
 
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tigerman

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Williamson was unlucky, however reading between the lines, you are indicating it was a massive impact.

No i think with the pitch playing fairly slow England would have won. Williamson has the ability to bat through, so if he could have got someone else to stay with him they would've got a lot closer.
 

marella jube

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Whats that supposed to mean? You think India threw the game against England?
yep, they eased up. Tactical, cynical ploy to make Pakistan's path harder & perhaps avoid Australia too..Surprised not much made of this by the media...Hope it bites & they have to play England again in the semis....Guaranteed if we beat Sth Africa tomorrow.
 

mrposhman

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yep, they eased up. Tactical, cynical ploy to make Pakistan's path harder & perhaps avoid Australia too..Surprised not much made of this by the media...Hope it bites & they have to play England again in the semis....Guaranteed if we beat Sth Africa tomorrow.

Really? The only one that seemed to ease through was Dhoni and by then the game was practically lost anyway. Did you see Pandya batting, he wasn't slowing it down for the loss. Strange comment.
 

mrposhman

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No i think with the pitch playing fairly slow England would have won. Williamson has the ability to bat through, so if he could have got someone else to stay with him they would've got a lot closer.

Perhaps, but I think they have it all wrong. If you go through the top 20 odd highest run scorers in the world cup, 2 of the 3 lowest strike rate batsmen are Williamson and Taylor who are 3 and 4 for NZ. They are the only team to bring in 2 slower scorers straight after each other.

I'd be licking my lips at playing them in the semis.
 

tigerman

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Perhaps, but I think they have it all wrong. If you go through the top 20 odd highest run scorers in the world cup, 2 of the 3 lowest strike rate batsmen are Williamson and Taylor who are 3 and 4 for NZ. They are the only team to bring in 2 slower scorers straight after each other.

I'd be licking my lips at playing them in the semis.
It's marginal, Steve Smith and Khawaja's strike rate is no better than Williamson and Taylor's. Guptill having a poor World Cup hasn't helped the Kiwis.
 

mrposhman

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It's marginal, Steve Smith and Khawaja's strike rate is no better than Williamson and Taylor's. Guptill having a poor World Cup hasn't helped the Kiwis.

Depends how far you are looking. In the world cup they are both well above Taylor and Williamson who are both in the mid 70's. Khawaja is over 86 and Smith is in the 90's.

Guptil certainly impacting.
 

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Call me a cynic but right or wrong the organizers wanted an England v India final and if we had won that game then that was impossible because they'd have met in a semi.
 

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Our middle order - Stoinis and No Show simply aren't up to it. Stoinis more so but teams are bringing pace on as soon as Maxwell comes to the crease and he is repeatedly failing.

Wade into the squad in place of Khawaja. About time. He should slip straight into the team at number 4. Smith to 3.
 

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Stoinis is a flat track bully only. Hope he does miss the semi. Non selection of Ashton turner has been costly.
 

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New Zealand taking the gas in a big match again. 1/8 after 6, you’d think it was a mine field. Batting a completely unnatural way. Dumb cricket.
 

MD Jazz

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no real improvement- they must think this is a 250 or less wicket. Premiditated blocking from Taylor
 

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Williamson was unlucky, however reading between the lines, you are indicating it was a massive impact. My point is the outcome is simple, score 300 against NZ and they won't chase it down. Having Williamson at 3 and Taylor at 4 sucks way too many deliveries and forces the rest to chase the game. If Guptil was in form it may paper over that fact, but whilst Williamson is a good batsmen, he can't play the same role of a Root, Kohli or Smith as he doesn't generally have the dynamism of the batsmen around him so therefore the run rate slows too much.

Just check out his strike rate, his average is great but the strike rate is either because their openers are rubbish and he constantly rebuilds (a bit of that, but Guptils not rubbish just out of form) or he doesn't have the acceleration.

Root - 500 runs, 62.5 average (1 not outs), strike rate 91.74, 9 innings, 5 scores over 50, 2 of them over 100, score over 50 56% of the time
Kohil - 408 runs, 58.3 average (no not outs), strike rate 96.22, 7 innings, 5 scores over 50, no centuries, score over 50 78% of the time
Smith - 287 runs, 35.9 average (no not outs), strike rate 90.82, 8 innings, 3 scores over 50, no centuries, score over 50 38% of the time

Williamson - 481 runs, 96.2 average (2 not outs), strike rate 77.2, 7 innings, 3 scores over 50, 2 centuries, score over 50 43% of the time

Whilst Williamson is a good bat, and a very good one at test match level unless he's got some massive hitters around him, you'd fancy beating them if you scored over 280 every single time. Their whole game plan is for Boult and Ferguson to get you out cheaply, don't do that and they won't win.
 

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Prophetic post postman. Williamson and Taylor sucking the life out of NZ chances I reckon. No ability to turn the strike over.
And Taylor lucky he hasn’t been out lbw, caught behind or caught at fine leg. India probably happy he is still there.
 

mrposhman

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Prophetic post postman. Williamson and Taylor sucking the life out of NZ chances I reckon. No ability to turn the strike over.
And Taylor lucky he hasn’t been out lbw, caught behind or caught at fine leg. India probably happy he is still there.

If these 2 stay much longer, they will barely score above 200. Slow pitch or not, India will chase that comfortably. I'm not sure their bowling attack is really setup for a slow pitch like this either (NZ's), need good spin (don't have that) and lots of variations from your seamers (again now sure they have that), that's why Bumrah has been so good today, heaps of variation to his bowling.