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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
What's your solution? Free movement with health services utterly destroyed?
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There is no solution, only trade-offs. Provide advice on how best to protect yourself and others, but it has to be up to everyone to act as they see fit not for the people we all widely regard as completely incompetent in government to make any decisions for us.
 
we knew this lot were idiots after the bushfire debacle.. so it comes as no surprise these half baked measures - 5 at a wedding, 10 at a boot camp, schools allowed but no playgrounds?? etc.. they are still being accountants rather than leaders..
 
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Giardiasis said:
You can’t seriously believe that? The government will magic up powers for itself that it will never give up. It is for the good of the people after all!
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yes, you are right. The ban on birthday parties and bbqs is here forever now.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Maybe sit back and watch the world burn and think yourself lucky that we had a little time to prepare a response.
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The world is burning because in our folly we have destroyed the division of labour. It is a harsh calculus but 80+ year old people dieing a few years earlier is the lesser evil. I in no way make light of that statement, I have 3 grandparents still alive but at this rate I won’t be able to attend their funeral if indeed they are allowed one.
 
Giardiasis said:
How about the thousands of people that will be unemployed? How about the suicide rates that will lead to? How about the disruption to supply chains and production that will leave everyone impoverished? You seem unconcerned about those people!
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You seem are more concerned about the economy than people.

The economy exists to serve the people, not the people having to sacrifice for the good of the economy.

The issue is that we live in such an individualised and selfish society that governments feel the need to restrict people, because being selfish and not caring about others is the behaviour which neo-liberalism encourages and applauds. The much maligned community spirited attitude of taking responsibility for yourself and for your community is discouraged, now we have a crisis where we need collective responsibility, governments can't trust individuals to behave.

DS
 
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DavidSSS said:
You seem are more concerned about the economy than people.

The economy exists to serve the people, not the people having to sacrifice for the good of the economy.

The issue is that we live in such an individualised and selfish society that governments feel the need to restrict people, because being selfish and not caring about others is the behaviour which neo-liberalism encourages and applauds. The much maligned community spirited attitude of taking responsibility for yourself and for your community is discouraged, now we have a crisis where we need collective responsibility, governments can't trust individuals to behave.

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Where do you get this nuts concept of the economy being separate from people? The economy represents people exchanging mutual value with one another, it is not some separate entity that serves anyone. The good of the people is achieved through exchanging mutual value, sacrificing that is sacrificing the good of the people.

Spare me your neo-liberalism boogie man *smile*, if society is so selfish than why do you think the government is also not afflicted in the same way? Basically you don’t like how other people act and you see the government as your tool to get them to conform to how you want them to act. That is the real problem we have to deal with, a lot of people are damn busybodies that can’t mind their own damn business.
 
Why on earth are hairdressers staying open? Surely that's a high risk non essential. 30 mins max?
What are they doing to make sure the barber isn't a super spreader in close proximity.
I also don't understand why schools are remaining open but weddings can only have 5 people.
There's still so many mixed messages coming out from leadership.

Most people won't even listen to Scotty's presser.

Make it simple FFS!
 
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They are going to make it very simple that's coming soon no doubt but they have to get the masses prepared for it first its been a mission creep every 2-3 days with increased restrictions being implemented.
 
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Giardiasis said:
I wonder how long people will put up with this ****? Have we grown to be such a complaint head nodding unthinking group of people? I can only hope that the answers are not long and no.

According to some on here we should drag people kicking and screaming to prison if they dare see their family for a birthday party! How can self respecting people accept such an affront to their liberty! The road to serfdom is paved by fear and it seems the road is well ahead of schedule.
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How hard is it to spend a few weeks/months doing the right thing? If we did we could overcome it with the least amount of damage to the economy and life.

Unfortunately, we are a society of entitled selfish *smile*. They are not going to be the ones that suffer and die. Its the old and frail. And trhe longer term consequences for the economy will be worse.

Unthinking? You think you have a better way? You think doing the right thing is compliant?
 
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Giardiasis said:
There is no solution, only trade-offs. Provide advice on how best to protect yourself and others, but it has to be up to everyone to act as they see fit not for the people we all widely regard as completely incompetent in government to make any decisions for us.
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Laughable. They are trying to balance the economy on one hand and life on the other. All they ask is you observe some basics. Don't have parties, don't have large gatherings, go to work and stay home. Support shops where you can where it is safe to do so. Maintain hygene standards. They are trying as best to support those that have lost jobs.

What's so hard about it?
 
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artball said:
we knew this lot were idiots after the bushfire debacle.. so it comes as no surprise these half baked measures - 5 at a wedding, 10 at a boot camp, schools allowed but no playgrounds?? etc.. they are still being accountants rather than leaders..
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How about you just cancel those things. How hard is that? Why do you need the govt to tell you what is already obvious?
 
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We're lucky we're not living in the era of bubonic plague (another Chinese export). They would've had little warning and no concept of germs or how they spread. Just people suddenly dying. It was eventually overcome - through quarantine.

(Yes I know plague is still around. We're the only continent that doesn't have it.)
 
One thing I am disappointed in is they have not come out and said how people are being infected? Is it at parties/gatherings? Is it indirectly through surfaces? Have all people that have caught it been in direct contact with a carrier?

Has anyone caught it from an ATM? A petrol bowser? Or is it simply impossible to know if not through direct contact?

I'd like to know more about the transmission.
 
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