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It's more than "not smart" it's dangerous.

He would be pulling money from efforts like the eradication of Polio, TB , Malaria and other Infectious diseases which makes up the vast majority of the WHO's budget

But Trump doesn't care


It's only a freeze pending an investigation atm.
Trump is rightly pissed by the WHO's handling of it & putting pressure on them.
Morrison is not happy either. Neither am I.
It was very poorly managed & now the entire world is facing a Pandemic.
That isn't Trump's fault.
 
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It's only a freeze pending an investigation atm.
Trump is rightly pissed by the WHO's handling of it & putting pressure on them.
Morrison is not happy either. Neither am I.
It was very poorly managed & now the entire world is facing a Pandemic.
That isn't Trump's fault.
I thought it was all Trumps fault
 
Gotta say I find it strange that Victoria has tested less than half as many people as NSW and even less than QLD. Also our total number of tests isn't even double that of SA and there'd be around 4 times as many people in VIC as SA.

Victorias testing per capita is extremely low in comparison to other states; what's going on with that?

Quite astounded by the discrepancy in testing between VIC and NSW as well. If the criteria had previously been only testing those presenting with symptoms from Int'l travel and those at hospitals & GP's etc then maybe that's a good thing? but Vic numbers on the face of it seem very low.
Now that Vic are expanding to the general public with symptoms and capable of performing 12,000 tests a day it will give me a bit more comfort in our coverage.
Shortage of test kits is a problem worldwide so will continue to be a restrictive factor however,
 
Gotta say I find it strange that Victoria has tested less than half as many people as NSW and even less than QLD. Also our total number of tests isn't even double that of SA and there'd be around 4 times as many people in VIC as SA.

Victorias testing per capita is extremely low in comparison to other states; what's going on with that?


With regards to NSW the Ruby Princess debacle likely has a fair bit to do with it.
 
With regards to NSW the Ruby Princess debacle likely has a fair bit to do with it.
Yeah it would have a bit to do with it but still I can't see how we are so far behind NSW testing levels on a per capita basis.

Queensland is even more staggering. Victoria has over 1.5 million population more than QLD yet we've tested less people?? Doesn't make any sense.
 
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Yeah it would have a bit to do with it but still I can't see how we are so far behind NSW testing levels on a per capita basis.

Queensland is even more staggering. Victoria has over 1.5 million population more than QLD yet we've tested less people?? Doesn't make any sense.
It is odd and is likely the reason we have less cases per capita than these states

What is Dan doing?
 
If Hollywood had come out with a movie five years ago about a rogue president who behaved like Trump, it would be dismissed out of hand as unrealistic and simply not believable that Americans would ever elect a president like that.

?? Americans elected Ronald Reagan , imagine what that twit would have tweeted if twitter was around back then
 
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It's only a freeze pending an investigation atm.
Trump is rightly pissed by the WHO's handling of it & putting pressure on them.
Morrison is not happy either. Neither am I.
It was very poorly managed & now the entire world is facing a Pandemic.
That isn't Trump's fault.
If they want a rapid quality response from the WHO then we need to fund the pandemic side of it properly. Their funding in this space is woefully inadequate, in fact that's probably overstating it . With the bugs and viruses around now we should be building international capability not cutting it.
Trump tried to cut funding to WHO significantly in a recent budget.
The fact is that everyone had the same information and some have done better than others with it. Could the WHO have done better? yes. Is this situation the WHO's fault ? No
 
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The WHO is part of the UN and therefore subject to the politics of the UN and the overwhelming power of the 5 members of the security council.

I think this is a reasonable summation of the situation regarding the WHO:

Trump turns against WHO to mask his own stark failings on Covid-19 crisis

Donald Trump’s declared suspension of funding of the World Health Organization in the midst of a pandemic is confirmation – if any were needed – that he is in search of scapegoats for his administration’s much delayed and chaotic response to the crisis.

The US is the WHO’s biggest donor, with funding over $400m a year in both assessed contributions (membership fees) and donations – though it is actually $200m in arrears.

Theoretically the White House cannot block funding of international institutions mandated by Congress. But the administration has found ways around such constitutional hurdles on other issues – by simply failing to disburse funds or apply sanctions, for example.

The funding could be formally rescinded, but that would require Senate approval, or “reprogrammed” by being diverted to another purpose that the White House could argue is consistent with the will of Congress.

“Whatever form it takes, this is a deeply shortsighted and dangerous decision - at any time, let alone during a ... pandemic,” said Alexandra Phelan, assistant professor at the Center for Global Health Science and Security at Georgetown University.

“It’s a bizarre decision that would be profoundly detrimental to global public health,” said Gavin Yamey, the director of Duke University’s center for policy impact in global health. “He’s trying to distract from his own errors that have led to the worst government response to Covid-19 on Earth.”

Public health officials generally agree that the WHO’s response to the pandemic has not been perfect, but much improved on the organisation’s lambasted performance in the face of the Ebola outbreak in 2014, and immeasurably better than how the US has handled Covid-19

The WHO first raised the alert over the Wuhan outbreak on 5 January, and beginning on 7 January it was briefing public health officials from the US and other national governments on the outbreak in regular teleconference calls. On 9 January the WHO distributed guidance to member states for their own risk assessment and planning.

Trump and his supporters have focused on a 14 January WHO tweet reporting the findings of preliminary Chinese studies suggesting “no clear evidence” of human-to-human transmission.

While the WHO was obliged to report on the latest findings of a member state at the source of the outbreak, its officials told their counterparts in technical briefings on 10 and 11 January, and briefed the press on 14 January, that human-to-human transmission was still a strong possibility given the experience of past coronavirus epidemics and urged suitable precautions.

Yamey said it was ridiculous to point to a single tweet early in the pandemic as the fixed position of the WHO. “The whole point of science is that we have initial hypotheses and initial ideas, and we update those ideas as more and more data emerges,” he said.

On 23 January the WHO updated its account of the coronavirus threat, confirming human-to-human transmission and warning that the global risk was high. One week later it formally declared a global emergency.

Announcing the cut in funding on Tuesday, Trump accused the WHO of failing to send its experts to the source of the outbreak to gather samples. That failure decisively set back the effect to contain the pandemic, he claimed.

In fact Beijing blocked a WHO delegation from visiting Wuhan in the first weeks of the outbreak. The WHO director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, had to fly to Beijing to meet Xi Jinping on 29 January to negotiate entry and information sharing. A WHO team was allowed to visit Wuhan on 22 February. Tedros has been criticised for his flattery of Xi and the Chinese response, in the face of Beijing’s obstructionism and cover-up attempts. His defenders said that such diplomacy was the price for entry.

Trump did more than his own fair share of Xi flattery. On 24 January, the president tweeted “China has been working very hard to contain the coronavirus … The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency.”

The claim that the delay in the WHO acquiring samples crippled the international response is also false. Chinese scientists publicly released the genetic sequence of Covid-19 on 11 January.

By early February the WHO was in a position to distribute a Covid-19 test worldwide, but the US government opted not to have it fast-tracked through approval. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) instead produced its own test at about the same time, but it was flawed and had to be recalled. US testing would be set back more than six weeks compared to the rest of the world.

While virtually no testing was under way in the US throughout February, Trump assumed the consequently low number of confirmed US cases meant that his country had somehow escaped. “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA,” he boasted on 24 February, nearly a month after the WHO declaration of emergency. “We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health [Organisation] have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Trump’s turn against the WHO only gathered pace over the past week, as more and more reports emerged of the administration’s own complacent and dysfunctional response.

The impact of a block on US funds is likely to mitigated by other countries, who have almost unanimously expressed confidence in the WHO, stepping up their own financial backing. The UK, for example, has announced £200m in new funding for international efforts to contain and combat the pandemic, of which £65m is earmarked for the WHO.

How well Trump’s scapegoating of the WHO will play in the US election is impossible to predict, but on the world stage it will undoubtedly be seen as yet another step in an accelerating US abdication of global leadership.

One thing to note is the reporting of the WHO response to the Chinese finding of no evidence of human to human transmission. The problem here is a (deliberate?) lack of understanding of the way science uses language. This statement in no way claims that human transmission is not happening or not possible, it just says that evidence of human to human transmission, at that time, did not exist.

Trump is all over the place, as per usual. He is blaming everyone he can, when he should be looking in the mirror if he wants someone to blame for the US response to this pandemic.

The WHO is navigating a pandemic and the labyrinthine politics of the UN, no easy task. Have they stuffed up? Hell yeah. Could they have done better? I would say certainly. But they are getting s*** for a lot they are not responsible for and are being undermined at the same time and used as a scapegoat.

Original article reproduced above:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ask-his-own-stark-failings-on-covid-19-crisis

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The WHO is navigating a pandemic and the labyrinthine politics of the UN, no easy task. Have they stuffed up? Hell yeah. Could they have done better? I would say certainly. But they are getting s*** for a lot they are not responsible for and are being undermined at the same time and used as a scapegoat.

Yes this is my reading as well, the failings are largely due to the need for WHO to navigate international politics. It shouldn't be that way but it is the world we live in. The correct response is to work with WHO to overcome these limitations.
 
Trump and the US are so dangerous. Looking at coming out of isolation by the end of this month. Their cases are still not falling!!

Contrast that to Australia, still got less than 70 deaths, cases been continuing to drop and down to less than 50 new ones per day and we will wait another month as we don't want renewed outbreaks.

If the US really do this, expect another mass outbreak there in a months time.
 
Trump and the US are so dangerous. Looking at coming out of isolation by the end of this month. Their cases are still not falling!!

Contrast that to Australia, still got less than 70 deaths, cases been continuing to drop and down to less than 50 new ones per day and we will wait another month as we don't want renewed outbreaks.

If the US really do this, expect another mass outbreak there in a months time.

Dangerous or stupid, the Americas in the Vietnam war lost appox. 58200 KIA over a 10+year period. This pandemic since Feb 29th (first death) to now (under 7 weeks) 28,554 deaths. They need to do something very quickly, first maybe get rid of the bloke in charge.
 
Course it isn't because he's doing it purely to take the focus off his failures.

Agree, but the "joint report" issued by China/WHO is similar to the "joint investigation" of Essendon by the AFL/ASADA. Essentially it is manipulated by the more powerful body to get the best outcome for them. The WHO scientists that were allowed in all returned with glowing assessments of China.

Similar to the so-called "climate emergency" where China - an economic superpower - is granted concessions by the IPCC (another branch of the UN, like WHO) to produce excess emissions, while actually being funded to work towards its international obligations by nations like the US and Australia.

Small wonder Trump is sick of it.
 
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Decent analysis LTRTR but all Trump wants to do is deflect blame and go play a lazy 18 holes...
 
Morrisons improvement trajectory is like Kane Lambert's.

He just gets better and better.

I have a little bit of vomit to deal with in my mouth as I write this,

but he was outstanding on 7.30 tonight.

clear, rationale, non-adversarial, humble, smart.

I reckon he has a normal advisor who has said 'watch what trump does and do the opposite'

e.g. Trump tweets about state governors mutiny .. 'im the captain of this ship'

Morrison on 7.30 'Andrews and Berejchickenlian are doing a great job. If you live in NSW, listen to Gladys. if you live in Vic, listen to Daniel. They are all over this'

I dont believe in god, but I am going to say a prayer tonight that I dont wake up barracking for Carlton.
 
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