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AngryAnt

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Ok

Schacht Konrad: disused mine proposed to be used for low level waste. Studies on using this mine for waste started in 1975, yet still not being used, so it has taken 45 years so far. Impressively quick I must say.

Mizunami Gansu: still being built. We'll see if this is geologically stable over 10s of thousands of years in a geologically active zone.

Oskarshamn: low level waste is being stored in Sweden and Oskashamn is one of 2 locations which are potential candidates for high level waste.

Not seeing any current or past facilities for the long term safe storage of high level nuclear waste which is toxic for 10s of thousands of years.

Nuclear has had 70 years to solve this, it has not done so.

Nuclear ain't ready.

Deal with it.

DS

Lee failed to do his own research.

And all this, even if effective, adds massive costs to the whole of lifecycle analysis. Nuclear fusion reactors are still a possibility I guess - no nuclear waste. But still seems hard to get the engineering happening.
 

AngryAnt

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Im confused why the Libs and Nats are even talking about nuclear. Its not like climate change is real. and coal is essential to jobs. and we have enough coal that we dont need to look at alternatives.

Lee, maybe you can suggest what need nuclear will meet?

It's anti-renewable virtue-signalling, nothing more. No sensible power company will make a risky long-term investment in nuclear in renewables rich Australia.
 
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Baloo

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No sensible power company will make a risky long-term investment in nuclear in renewables rich Australia.

Disagree. Any sensible company will look to maximise shareholder value. If the government is prepared to fund the research and building of a nuclear plant, override local government approvals process and give them the land, then guarantee to purchase electricity from them at "market rates" for 10 or more years, and finally make nuclear waste disposal a government problem, a sensible company will happily get involved. If not, plenty of friends of the Libs will offer to create a company to do so. Much like that responsible barrier reef conservation company who landed a multi million dollar contract.
 
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Brodders17

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It's anti-renewable virtue-signalling, nothing more. No sensible power company will make a risky long-term investment in nuclear in renewables rich Australia.
i dont believe our current government would engage in virtue-signalling.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Lee, maybe you can suggest what need nuclear will meet?
Reliable carbon-free base load electricity, renewables on top given their fickle nature and technological limitations on storage. If the warming issues aren't resolved, it will at least enable us to meet the global obligations we have signed up to.

"We tried."
 

Brodders17

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Reliable carbon-free base load electricity, renewables on top given their fickle nature and technological limitations on storage. If the warming issues aren't resolved, it will at least enable us to meet the global obligations we have signed up to.

"We tried."
Why do we need carbon-free base load electricity?
 

Brodders17

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So you think we should spend up big, and have the risks associated with nuclear power, purely to meet international obligations? that you think have no purpose?
if the obligations are pointless shouldnt those obligations be challenged before we go down the nuclear path?
 

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A couple of decades of power and thousands of years of toxic radioactive waste, yeah that makes sense :rolleyes:

Only makes sense with huge subsidies and high price guarantees, like the UK government is doing with their new nuclear power station.

Good to see Lee is now conceding that we have to do something about climate change.

DS
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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So you think we should spend up big, and have the risks associated with nuclear power, purely to meet international obligations? that you think have no purpose?
if the obligations are pointless shouldnt those obligations be challenged before we go down the nuclear path?
No I don't support it. But unless One Nation gets into power or we unearth a Trump or the agreement falls over, there is no avoiding it. So let's at least make it reliable.

I don't expect the Keeling Curve to give a sh!t about our puny attempts at dictating climate but at least once it is done, we can focus on adaptation.
 

AngryAnt

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No I don't support it. But unless One Nation gets into power or we unearth a Trump or the agreement falls over, there is no avoiding it. So let's at least make it reliable.

I don't expect the Keeling Curve to give a sh!t about our puny attempts at dictating climate but at least once it is done, we can focus on adaptation.

Why would we need to adapt? You said global warmists should be shot into the sun.
 

AngryAnt

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Been colder than the previous 18 summers by more than 1 degree per day.

That's climate change for you - you'll get unusual effects.

Got colleagues in Houston - they just had a crazy crazy cold spell. Houston is sub-tropical which makes it something like Brisbane - yet they had snow, burst pipes and frozen streets and massive blackouts. Around 30 people dead from hypothermia.

Of course the GOP blamed the 10% renewables in their grid even though its 90% fossil fue/gas/nuclear. Even one of their nuclear plants shut down due to the extreme cold. Of course, in the northern states like Ohio they have no problems with cold weather either for fossil fuel plants or renewables as they've winterised their systems.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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That's climate change for you - you'll get unusual effects.

Got colleagues in Houston - they just had a crazy crazy cold spell. Houston is sub-tropical which makes it something like Brisbane - yet they had snow, burst pipes and frozen streets and massive blackouts. Around 30 people dead from hypothermia.

Of course the GOP blamed the 10% renewables in their grid even though its 90% fossil fue/gas/nuclear. Even one of their nuclear plants shut down due to the extreme cold. Of course, in the northern states like Ohio they have no problems with cold weather either for fossil fuel plants or renewables as they've winterised their systems.
Yes I have been following. Texas goes it alone with their power & gas and got caught unprepared. They had to stage the blackouts as the grid was about to fail. Cold is more deadly than heat.
 

AngryAnt

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Yes I have been following. Texas goes it alone with their power & gas and got caught unprepared. They had to stage the blackouts as the grid was about to fail. Cold is more deadly than heat.

Yeah, total cluster****. Apparently they wanted more control and "freedom" from Federal regs so isolated most of their grid from the national grid (with some exceptions I believe). Texas Senator Ted Cruz got totally lambasted for flying down to Cancun with his family while people were dying and suffering due to no power etc. They had a similar (not as bad) extreme cold event in 2011 and were warned this could happen, but did nothing.

Renewables, nuclear, gas/oil/coal power supplies all knocked out.
 

AngryAnt

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And right on cue, science tells us why climate change is hurting. The AMOC is close to collapse, and that will mean harsher winters and hotter summers in Europe.

All cool though, a few nutty bloggers will tell us why it's all over dramatised.


 

Brodders17

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And right on cue, science tells us why climate change is hurting. The AMOC is close to collapse, and that will mean harsher winters and hotter summers in Europe.

All cool though, a few nutty bloggers will tell us why it's all over dramatised.



Nutty bloggers? Next you will be telling me i shouldnt be getting my Covid advice from Craig Kelly and that chef dude.
 
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Baloo

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Yeah, total cluster****. Apparently they wanted more control and "freedom" from Federal regs so isolated most of their grid from the national grid (with some exceptions I believe). Texas Senator Ted Cruz got totally lambasted for flying down to Cancun with his family while people were dying and suffering due to no power etc. They had a similar (not as bad) extreme cold event in 2011 and were warned this could happen, but did nothing.

Renewables, nuclear, gas/oil/coal power supplies all knocked out.
Why did Cruz get lambasted? It's not like he holds the hose or sits in the control room.
 
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