Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute! | PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
  • IMPORTANT // Please look after your loved ones, yourself and be kind to others. If you are feeling that the world is too hard to handle there is always help - I implore you not to hesitate in contacting one of these wonderful organisations Lifeline and Beyond Blue ... and I'm sure reaching out to our PRE community we will find a way to help. T.

Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

Who was the umpire that paid deliberate against Hartlett in last years Prelim? Was it Matt Stevic?
 
Whatever we think the reason is the stats are clear. Our record on free kick differential since 2017 is as follows ( per AFL tables )

2017 469-528 18th in the league
2018 421-543 18th
2019 461-490 14th
2020 314-384 18th
2021 67-93 18th

This is a trend which surely deserves a conversation with the AFL.
2019 was a great year.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 user
Who was the umpire that paid deliberate against Hartlett in last years Prelim? Was it Matt Stevic?
As an aside if you watch the "sound the alarm" series where they had cameras in the coaches boxes during that prelim final when that happened straight away Dimma said " that's deliberate "
 
I'd say that the clubs would keep their own stats & if they found that an individual umpire was being a bit "less than unbiased" than they should be, words would be had with the Umpiring Dept.
 
I was also a referee for a while in the UK (lower level than you) and I know what you are saying, there is a lot that you get called, but bias is only shown when you have something in your mind to provide bias to. Did you ever referee a club that you were involved with from a playing / supporter base?
In the early days I had refused a few matches due to knowing some of the players in a local team but once I went up in the ranks I never had the chance to ref a club I semi supported so the answer is no - fortunately
 
Sorry, must be a misprint, Collingwood negative on free kicks?

Simply not credible.

DS
I think it’s probably credible; look how Scumwood is going this year.

No net positive free kicks; no Scumwood!
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 users
Whatever we think the reason is the stats are clear. Our record on free kick differential since 2017 is as follows ( per AFL tables )

2017 469-528 18th in the league
2018 421-543 18th
2019 461-490 14th
2020 314-384 18th
2021 67-93 18th

This is a trend which surely deserves a conversation with the AFL.


if you overlay this data with premierships, there's a very strong inverse relationship between free kick differential and premierships

2017 - premiership
2018 - minor premiership
2019 - premiership
2020 - premiership

so I hope we keep getting significantly shafted by the umps.

I'd like to see the differential data on finals only in this period.

I feel like we get a pretty good run in finals?

If so, it suggests 3 possibilities

1. Its umpire quality affecting our differential
2. Its crowd noise affecting our differential, or
3. Its the way we play finals footy all year that affects our differential, and in finals, the effect is negated when the opposition plays finals footy too.

given Stevic gave us a really good run in the prelim in Adelaide last year, I think we can exclude 1. and 2.

leaving me with 3.

can anyone provide finals only free kick data for 2017-2020 to test this theory further?
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 user
The Bulldogs Free Kick Differential results year on year since 2016:

2016 - 1st
2017 - 1st
2018 - 4th
2019 - 1st
2020 - 7th
2021 - 2nd

WTF is going on........
 
  • Wow
Reactions: 1 user
if you overlay this data with premierships, there's a very strong inverse relationship between free kick differential and premierships

2017 - premiership
2018 - minor premiership
2019 - premiership
2020 - premiership

so I hope we keep getting significantly shafted by the umps.

I'd like to see the differential data on finals only in this period.

I feel like we get a pretty good run in finals?

If so, it suggests 3 possibilities

1. Its umpire quality affecting our differential
2. Its crowd noise affecting our differential, or
3. Its the way we play finals footy all year that affects our differential, and in finals, the affect is negated when the opposition plays finals footy too.

given Stevic gave us a really good run in the prelim in Adelaide last year, I think we can exclude 1. and 2.

leaving me with 3.

can anyone provide finals only free kick data for 2017-2020 to test this theory further?

I think you are spot on. Can't remember one of our finals being influenced by an umpire. Perhaps it is a bit of 1 (are there really any "good" umpires?) but as you suggest mainly 3.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 user
The Bulldogs Free Kick Differential results year on year since 2016:

2016 - 1st
2017 - 1st
2018 - 4th
2019 - 1st
2020 - 7th
2021 - 2nd

WTF is going on........
And they throw the ball more then any then any other team.
They hold the ball longer then any other team.
And they get away with 8 metre kicks especially off Daniels boot.
Half his kicks struggle to go 10 metres.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 users
I think you are spot on. Can't remember one of our finals being influenced by an umpire. Perhaps it is a bit of 1 (are there really any "good" umpires?) but as you suggest mainly 3.

the other thing we would need to control for,

is win/loss. we have won all our finals, except the 20 Q-final.

was our perception that we got a raw deal from the maggots and what did the differential look like in relation to the other finals of our era.

we need the differential data for finals 17-20, compare it to H&A data, and consider any difference in data (finals defeat n=1) within the finals data

but I feel like its a reasonable hypothesis; H1: finals football played in H&A negatively affects free kick differential, but has no effect in finals

nobody has played a relentless finals brand like Richmond 17-20, and the data shows nobody has had been relentlessly penalised like Richmond
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 user
2017
FF 68
FA 62

2018
FF 35
FA 37

2019
FF 60
FA 56

2020
FF 60
FA 72

OVERALL FINALS - 2017-2020
FF - 223
FA - 227
 
  • Like
Reactions: 5 users