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With delta seems like we need to lock down
Whole country or this will keep happening.
This is the problem... How do we keep Delta out of Victoria even if we get on top of it this time after basically a 2 week lockdown?
Virtually impossible to stop it getting in from a state we neighbour with that's operating under a different set of rules.

Vaccination is the only answer.
 
This is the problem... How do we keep Delta out of Victoria even if we get on top of it this time after basically a 2 week lockdown?
Virtually impossible to stop it getting in from a state we neighbour with that's operating under a different set of rules.

Vaccination is the only answer.
We keep the border shut with NSW until they get it under control. WA & SA and even QLD have used this approach successfully. That's not to say it won't come back at a later time but whilst we know that NSW does not have it under control then the border should stay shut and only compassionate exemptions should apply. It's madness letting hundreds of people cross the border every day whilst the virus is running rampant up there.

But yes the ultimate key is vaccination and hopefully the vast majority of the population will be done by the end of the year.
 
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Classic tactics on Sky news right now.

NSW press conference starts 10 minutes before SA one, Vic 5 minutes after. As soon as SA starts NSW shunted to the second channel, and then Vic stays on the main one.

Nothing to see in NSW, all the issues are in Victoria.


you would have thought that Alan Jones had sprung Gladys in bed with his mummy,

the way he went after her last night (n=1)

I think Rupert has revoked Gladys' carte blanche.

Not sure what's going on?

I suspect they have very good data on the exact point at which their reporting subceeds their audiences'stupidity
 
you would have thought that Alan Jones had sprung Gladys in bed with his mummy,

the way he went after her last night (n=1)

I think Rupert has revoked Gladys' carte blanche.

Not sure what's going on?

I suspect they have very good data on the exact point at which their reporting subceeds their audiences'stupidity

They're just deflecting for their leader and chief, PM Morrison. Even Gladys is being thrown under the bus to protect him. Plus that Brad Hazzard is a terrible minister, so it's not hard to rag on either of them.
 
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you would have thought that Alan Jones had sprung Gladys in bed with his mummy,

the way he went after her last night (n=1)

I think Rupert has revoked Gladys' carte blanche.

Not sure what's going on?

I suspect they have very good data on the exact point at which their reporting subceeds their audiences'stupidity
Alan Jones doesn't like women. Never has. In any way. Has no use for them. Thinks they're icky. Not like those glorious, statuesque schoolboy footballers he writes love letters to.
 
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Victoria's QR app has lagged other states I was surprised the other day when I went to the Vic Gov app to hopefully trace my movements that I were unable to.
Richmond now have a lot of exposure sites, one of which was Coles Swan Street. Instead of being able to go into app to see when I was there i had to check my credit card transactions which still doesn't give the time, I then remembered I had i phone call while shopping so checked phone records for time. Turns out i were there on the exposure date but different time. (a lot of stuffing around).
Good to see an update is coming in a couple of weeks but would have been handy in this outbreak i'm sure.

Victoria’s QR code app will be updated to allow users to track check-ins:

Victoria’s QR code app will be updated in the coming weeks so that users can access their own check-in history in a move that will emulate the New South Wales and Queensland apps.
 
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Victoria's QR app has lagged other states I was surprised the other day when I went to the Vic Gov app to hopefully trace my movements that I were unable to.
Richmond now have a lot of exposure sites, one of which was Coles Swan Street. Instead of being able to go into app to see when I was there i had to check my credit card transactions which still doesn't give the time, I then remembered I had i phone call while shopping so checked phone records for time. Turns out i were there on the exposure date but different time. (a lot of stuffing around).
Good to see an update is coming in a couple of weeks but would have been handy in this outbreak i'm sure.

Victoria’s QR code app will be updated to allow users to track check-ins:

Victoria’s QR code app will be updated in the coming weeks so that users can access their own check-in history in a move that will emulate the New South Wales and Queensland apps.
If you have google maps on your phone and you're signed in to Google on your device, you can view all your movements to the second for years.
 
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Not sure of the UK, but a quick radio report I heard the other day stated that almost all hospitalisations in the US are non-vaccinated individuals.
Don’t know the stats Redford but I read that in one state they are labelling COVID-19 the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” .
 
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As we move towards the end of the pandemic, the number of cases becomes irrelevant. We only know of the number of cases because of testing, ie. we don't test this volume of people for flu so we have no idea how many people at any time are carrying the flu. The exit to the pandemic will be when we know of the level of hospitalisation from Covid. We have to remember the main reason for lockdowns and thats to protect the health system from being overloaded in hospitalisations. Vaccines are obviously the main way to reduce the level of hospitalisation from infection, but thats ultimately the end game.

Number of cases in the UK shouldn't be the gauge now as they open up, its going to be a review of hospitalisation capacity. Deaths will largely be an output of this, and as it stands, it probably indicates that even with vaccines, Covid may well kill more people than flu annually, whether this has an affect on reducing flu deaths (the offset impact) we aren't sure, but these should be the measures that the UK (and the US) are now measured, not on pure cases.
All true Mr P.

One difference between COVID-19 and the flu is that it is rare for an otherwise healthy person to get so sick they need to be hospitalised and perhaps die from the flu. There may be an offset impact but there would be people who die from COVID who would not die from the flu.
 
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no way we can afford to vaccinate the entire country first. Way too paternalistic (and maybe that’s not 100% what you meant) and isn’t achievable. Give everyone a shot for a shot then we need to go.

we have 1000 deaths a year from road accidents and don’t shut down all traffic.

we have 25000 deaths a year from smoking and don’t make that illegal.

somewhere between these two numbers is reasonable and we need to wrap our heads around that. There are NOT infinite resources that support indefinite lockdowns. The purpose now is to avoid what is happening in Indonesia. No government will ever say it but safety standards and rules, rare drug suppprr to save lives etc do put a dollar value on human life. The number isn’t infinity. You can back calculate it but is typically somewhere 3-5 million dollar type range in advanced countries. In poorer countries it is orders of magnitude less. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life

We are spending billions per week so math says 200 lives per billion spent. This makes sense in context of an Indonesia situation. Once vaccinated the numbers won’t stack up. Emotionally this may be challenging but you have to wrap your head around there not being Iinfinite resources and there is a need to prioritise where resources go. This is going to be a challenge as the community is now conditioned to managing cases instead of hospital numbers / ICU utilisation etc.

I have dealt with risk assessment and allocating scarce resources - you do make these assessments when prioritising once the law has been meant.

there is a cost in many other areas of government that will be felt to pay for the pandemic. It will be either higher taxes or lower services or both - and for a long time. (And then we will hear all the complaints about that. )

Sorry Roar - you can’t compare the risk of these events - we don’t think or act like that.

You can’t have a car accident watching footy at the mcg, or having a beer at the pup, or someone cleaning your room if you live in an aged care facility, or you stay in a hotel room on the same floor as someone else.

Its to simplistic which is why the community don’t buy the feds messaging on this.

Even the freedom day people of the UK have had many lockdowns.
 
Don’t know the stats Redford but I read that in one state they are labelling COVID-19 the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” .
Yes, appears to be so. The tri state area - NY, NJ and Conn - will be interesting. They have high vax rates but are starting to incur increasing positives. So far, no strain on hospitals etc but too early just yet to assess.
 
One benefit we have is there will be significant data from countries with higher vaccination levels that do open up. We should be able to learn a lot from their experiences. If it does show what we hope (vaccination does reduce chances of getting covid and transmitting it) it may influence those that are hesitant to get vaccinated.
 
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This is the problem... How do we keep Delta out of Victoria even if we get on top of it this time after basically a 2 week lockdown?
Virtually impossible to stop it getting in from a state we neighbour with that's operating under a different set of rules.

Vaccination is the only answer.

A national covid response to outbreaks would also be a good thing. Won't get that with this federal government though.
 
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Very interesting interview & worth the watch..The modelling suggests Gladys shouldn't open up until the end of August at least for Sydney.

Let's see how long Gladys holds the line in the face of growing business pressure..nowhere near that is my guess.


you don't have to be an epidemiologist to understand if she opens up with daily numbers in the dozens,

we'd be like India or Indonesia or Brazil by Christmas.

I dont think even the LNP could *smile* up THAT badly.

my money is on Sydney at home for the rest of winter.
 
Really? They wouldn't be in this position at all if they hadn't already screwed up due to pressure & her stubbornness to look past advice.
When the pressure comes & a few more get vaccinated I think Berejiklian will bend but let's see.

Ive got to give credit where credit is due from a selfish POV;

the Sydney lockdown, with regional NSW essentially normal (masks indoors and 5 visitors, very good compliance) is logical and seems to be working.

I think this is better policy than Vic whole state lockdown, and I think all of regional Vic would agree.
 
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Really? They wouldn't be in this position at all if they hadn't already screwed up due to pressure & her stubbornness to look past advice.
When the pressure comes & a few more get vaccinated I think Berejiklian will bend but let's see.
Wealth before health dude.
 
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