Hird allowed it & condoned it.
"Whatever it Takes" says it all.
TBR it seems like you know more than we do about what happened, maybe some insights would help us understand.
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Hird allowed it & condoned it.
"Whatever it Takes" says it all.
TBR it seems like you know more than we do about what happened, maybe some insights would help us understand.
Nar, I've been down that road before, people would rather enjoy hating Essendon than hear facts. As soon as I talk about what happens in a club and how it runs I'm accused of big noting or being superior or whatever so I'll leave it.
I recall Hird in the first press conference admitting it happened on his watch and he'd take full responsibility. He then spent the next 2 years doing everything but take responsibility. None of it could've happened without the club's leadership enablement and support. Using the pawns as scapegoats is just ignoring the environment that was put in place by the likes of Hird. None of them should be allowed anywhere near a club.
Hird could play. No doubt. I was jealous as all *smile* of them, and him. I also despised him. Pretty boy, blonde schlock, fawning ass kissing media all over their can do no wrong cash cow. Hated him. Bad. And I haaaaaaated them. So much. The canings they metered out. Their asswipe supporters at the G on a Friday night. So when he monumentally effed up his club and himself, yeah it was schadenfreude heaven in TTTworld. If you had asked me where Essendon and Richmond would be 20 years time, I'm purrrdy sure I wouldn't have said in a real life mirror of Face/Off.
So I'm gonna lap this up as long as it lasts. Watching them, THEM! still unable to drag themselves into 2022-23 is almost too delicious to bear. Even contemplating appointing Hird again reeks of sycophantic arrogance, hard wired blinkers, and plain stupidity.
Nothing against the man (anymore). I've grown up (a bit). But that club. Nah, I'll be pissing on them from a cloud when I go.
So I'm gonna lap this up as long as it lasts. Watching them, THEM! still unable to drag themselves into 2022-23 is almost too delicious to bear. Even contemplating appointing Hird again reeks of sycophantic arrogance, hard wired blinkers, and plain stupidity.
Nothing against the man (anymore). I've grown up (a bit). But that club. Nah, I'll be pissing on them from a cloud when I go.
That statement is dragged up on here every time this comes up, to me it is massively overblown.
That press conference was barely a couple of days after they first realised something was up, it's just alpha male coach speak. I'm in charge here lads, I'll take on all comers and you will al be ok. If anything it further emphasises how much Hird had no idea of the enormity of what had transpired.
The most telling part of that press conference for me was Hird saying everything they used was approved and they worked within ASADA and WADA protocols, and that he was shocked to hear otherwise.
Some lines once crossed you don’t want to give the opportunity to be crossed again. Especially when the person (and club) never fully owned it. Why is it still called the “supplements scandal” when it was a doping violation?
Murderers. Don’t give them legal access to guns ever.
Kiddy molestors don’t get a working with children card ever.
I guess it’s the judgement of what kind of lines this crosses. I could be swayed that it was sloppy ignorance and if there was a full coming clean and contrition I’d could probably get behind him making a come back as this is something you could learn the right things from and pass on valuable lessons about. Without that though it just seems the lessons haven’t been learnt and it makes a leadership role untenable.
Yeah nah Big Richo. Disagree with your last sentence. It was not approved by anyone in an appropriate position. They did not work within ASADA/WADA protocols. The Club doctor was taken out of the loop with Hird’s APPROVAL. Because he wasn’t happy with what he was hearing. They got the players to sign a declaration to exonerate the club as they were and I repeat quote “pushing the boundaries”. They fought everything along the way. All the way to the court of appeal in Switzerland.
And lost. Lost. Lost.
They relied on an expectation that as long as nothing could be definitely proven - then they were ok. Anyone find it strange that there were no records??? None. Not at all. At a Club that probably itemised milk in the canteen. They wrote a chq for $60k for Hexarelin. But then didn’t know where it went? But not into the players. No sir ! Not here! Must have been just dropped in a bin. They argued loud and long that the players did not get Thymosin Beta 4. They yelled loudly that it was Thymomodulin. Yet. Thymomodulin is taken in tablet form. Thymosin beta 4 is injected and it’s all about muscle mass that the players packed on big time, to the extent that Ratten was filthy that his mature team was being “thrown about like rag dolls” by a young Essendon side that did not have the preseasons in them that the Blues did. He then reamed his support staff about what Carlton were not doing. Turns out. Carlton weren’t cheating. The Essendon players complained about the injections they were receiving that “felt like concrete”.
I always admired Hird as a player and still do. But HE was in charge and actively brought in the weapon. He was mates with Shane Chartres who has supplied substances eveything from individuals to drunken ferrets.
Essendon got belted with sanctions. He was the reason. It was HIS handpicked crew involved.
Now, he trusted everybody. Cos he is an all round good guy. He is a soft touch and others caused the problems.
It is an example of Homer Simpson syndrome. “it’s everybody else’s fault but mine”
Hird is a narcissist of the highest order. He shafted Knights from the shadows. His crew of sycophants were sniping constantly at Worsfold and then shafted Rutten. He has been up at GWS while they have had one of their worst seasons since inception. But now James can come back to Essendon and be the MAN again!!!
Nope. Great player yes. The rest of it not so.
Essendon would have you believe that a PROFESSIONAL sporting organisation would spend tens of thousands of dollars, maybe more, on substances they are injecting into their players but don't have any paperwork to show what it is. Oh, and the bloke who supplied them doesn't have any paperwork either. Yeah right.
Remember when the club hired Mick Gatto to "mediate" when Dank was saying he had proof but wouldn't release it. Nothing ever came out publicly about that mediation but I suspect that Dank told Gatto the juice was illegal and Dank was told to keep his mouth shut. I have no proof of course but it seems logical to me.
Remember when the club hired Mick Gatto to "mediate" when Dank was saying he had proof but wouldn't release it. Nothing ever came out publicly about that mediation but I suspect that Dank told Gatto the juice was illegal and Dank was told to keep his mouth shut. I have no proof of course but it seems logical to me.
Fair enough. I have many Bomber fans in my family, who are divided in their opinions of what actually occurd.
One of my Uncles was a 55 year member & was so disgusted with the goings on that he vowed never to buy another membership & has followed that through.
He can't remember his name let alone what happened at Essendon.
I can't understand wasnt Dank and Thompson both at Geelong?
Any sympathy for anyone involved disappeared when despite repeated questions from ASADA officials they players & football staff failed to declare the injections.
The program was shrouded in secrecy & still nobody knows (or will say) what the players were injected with. They still don't know! Nor how these players will be affected later in life.
Hird should have had his papers stamped from that point on from ever being employed in the AFL again. An absolute stain that remains on the history of the game.
The program was shrouded in secrecy & still nobody knows (or will say) what the players were injected with. They still don't know! Nor how these players will be affected later in life.
Hird should have had his papers stamped from that point on from ever being employed in the AFL again. An absolute stain that remains on the history of the game.
Whatever they were injected with it worked.
They were deadset flying that opening part of the season.
Worth a look back at some of the allegations.
James Hird
The charge sheet also alleges that Hird was warned off the use peptides by an AFL integrity officer in August 2011 - well before sports scientist Stephen Dank joined the club in November that year - after making an "informal inquiry of an ASADA representative as to whether any AFL clubs were using peptides''.
Hird was told by the integrity officer that "peptides were a serious risk to the integrity of the AFL, in the same category as steroids and HGH and implored Hird to report to the AFL if he came across any information relating to peptides''.
Perhaps he didn't mean to push it as far as it went. But saying he shouldn't be responsible based on the above is cods wallop!
As long as it culminates in a tidy n relaxing 15 goal flogging from the Tiges, I could live with that.
That lines up a fair bit with what the Weapon said in his tell all interview. Dank was brought to the club by Danny Corcoran & Hird. Given Hird's previous relationship with Charters he was up to his neck in it.
