Something i have always wondered was how come Brian Taylor led our goalkicking for hte year in 1982 but then was not named in the 1982 grand final side? I can assume it was injury but am unsure since he did leave a few years later. Always something that has intrgued me.
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Brian Taylor 1982
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yeah i remember he chucked a whammy and a sooky la la, if i am correct didnt Disco have an injury plagued season that year but came good and replaced BT?
Disco was my favourite, BT wasnt that popular with me I always felt he was a sook.
Disco was my favourite, BT wasnt that popular with me I always felt he was a sook.
This act of insanity possibly cost us the Grand Final and god knows perhaps changed the history of this once feared club.
Taylor was a star in 1982 kicking a heap of goals until he injured his knee in a meaningless Escort(?) Cup game against Swan Districts (WA) reserves (but that's another story) .. Anyway Taylor got fit enough by the finals and played in the second semi (from memory) but was then dropped for the Grannie to be replaced by .. wait for it ..... Ian Sartori .. We lost, Taylor hung around for a couple more years before heading off to Collingwood.
Some learned folk reckon the Thursday before the GF was when the RFC started the implosion which is still being felt today.
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Taylor was a star in 1982 kicking a heap of goals until he injured his knee in a meaningless Escort(?) Cup game against Swan Districts (WA) reserves (but that's another story) .. Anyway Taylor got fit enough by the finals and played in the second semi (from memory) but was then dropped for the Grannie to be replaced by .. wait for it ..... Ian Sartori .. We lost, Taylor hung around for a couple more years before heading off to Collingwood.
Some learned folk reckon the Thursday before the GF was when the RFC started the implosion which is still being felt today.
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Fireman_Sam said:
I tend to agree with those learned folk and think that we can trace our demise back to this time. From what I can gather, that was when the heart and soul was pretty much ripped out of Richmond. Sad, but possibly all too true.
What sealed our fate was not just the number of players we lost at the time, but the calibre of players the Club lost over the next couple of years. It was all down hill from thereon.
Is this the slowest climb back to the top, or what?
MC24 said:
It wasn't just about who we lost but we got to replace them. We lost Cloke, Raines, Wood and we went out and got Stewart, Annear and Walsh.
It just doesn't seem like apples and apples to me. Perhaps apples and peanuts but not apples and apples. :-\
In 1982 Michael Roach spent alot of time playing in the ruck in the second half of the season. I have an article about it. And now that I have mastered the scanner at home (that is making things smaller) I will re-send it to Rosy. It is an interesting read.
MC24 said:
Fair point MC24, I was at the first Tommy Hafey Club Luncheon back in June with the 1943 and 1967 flag temas and you can still see and feel the passion those players had for the Club and one another.
Gee I wish we could bottle it and feed it into everyone of our players now.
Koalalill.
I watched Richmond v Fitzroy on fox footy just recently.
It was a 1982 game, not long before the finals I think.
Taylor played full forward and kicked 10. David Cloke played chf, Brian Wood was on the wing, Geoff Raines was in the centre kicking the ball 60 metres into the forward line.
Roachy played what looked liked the whole game in the ruck, and did well too.
I had mixed emotions watching it, it was good to watch those players again, but was depressing knowing that 12 months later we were a rabble, with Cloke, Wood and Raines gone.
It certainly confirmed my opionion that Richo should be tried in the ruck, or at least in the role that he had last week.
CARN THE TIGES!!!!
I watched Richmond v Fitzroy on fox footy just recently.
It was a 1982 game, not long before the finals I think.
Taylor played full forward and kicked 10. David Cloke played chf, Brian Wood was on the wing, Geoff Raines was in the centre kicking the ball 60 metres into the forward line.
Roachy played what looked liked the whole game in the ruck, and did well too.
I had mixed emotions watching it, it was good to watch those players again, but was depressing knowing that 12 months later we were a rabble, with Cloke, Wood and Raines gone.
It certainly confirmed my opionion that Richo should be tried in the ruck, or at least in the role that he had last week.
CARN THE TIGES!!!!
Koalalill said:
The very sad part about it all is the very good people that were all but lost to the Club over recent years. It's good to see that something is being done to rectify this.
I really believe the future seems a whole lot brighter with some of the younger players coming through.
They seem to have something about them that makes you think we're at least on the right track. And like the jumper actually means something to them.
MC24 said:
The negative effects began to be seen at the end of 1982 but the demise started before then. We were given one of worst recruting zones (Glen Waverley from memory) by the VFL in the early 70's (?) (remember being told it was supposedly a "gift" from the VFL in response to the club's outspokeness at that time - don't know if that's true). So once our premiership champions started retiring we didn't have quality youngsters coming through our ranks and so we decided to heavily trade and buy players. For a club that wasn't rich like say a Carlton, stupidly and recklessly those in charge at that time paid ridiculous amounts of money for duds. This only compounded the problem of not being able to recruit decent footballers due to our ever increasing debt during the 80's. The VFL itself was financially stuffed so the commission was introduced to run the league around 1986-7 and they abolished the zone system and introduced the current draft system. At Richmond, to curb our expenses so we could rein in our debt, we got KB to coach in 1988 and filled the senior team with youngsters who were cheap. The SOS campaign finally enabled the club to get it's debt down to a manageable and sustainable level.
Excellent information MT! I agree with the fact that the players need more passion for the club and if certain players want more money or they will go elsewhere..As far as I'm concerned they can tell their story walking! We want players that want to play for the yellow and black and treat this as a privilege, not a right.
An example of this kind of passion happened up here at the StGeorge Illawarra Dragons Rugby League club where they needed to keep 3 key players but were over the salary cap. Lance Thompson stepped up without even being asked and said that he would take a salary cut just so they could retain the 3 players. Now that's club commitment!
An example of this kind of passion happened up here at the StGeorge Illawarra Dragons Rugby League club where they needed to keep 3 key players but were over the salary cap. Lance Thompson stepped up without even being asked and said that he would take a salary cut just so they could retain the 3 players. Now that's club commitment!
shawry said:
The Taylor story of "82"!!
This is actually quite an interesting story - no really it is , no sh!te!!
We had Mark Lee, David Cloke, Michael Roach and Brian Taylor - but not in the same team!! We also had Greg Strachen, from the Waverley zone, but that is irrelevant in the BT story!!
Mark Lee broke his wrist pre - season, and in fact Roach missed the first few games too.
When Roach came into the side (about round 3), he was used very effectively in the ruck - doing quite well picking up heaps of possessions.
BT was obviously used at Full Foward and along with Malcolm Blight was neck and neck for the Coleman medal until around mid season (i think about round 12 or 13, BT did his medial ligament - it was against Essendon. He had 58 goals to that stage of the season, about 5 ahead of Blight. From memory, Taylor had missed a game earlier in the season so was averaging about 5 a game. I think Blight might have missed 1 or 2 games as well.
The funny thing was that this was Mark Lee's first game back from injury. So for about half the game we had the big 4 in the one team (Cloke, Roach, Taylor and Lee). - YES we won the game, by about 4 goals.
We actually kept Roach in the Ruck for a few rounds after this, leaving Mark Lee at full foward and Cloke obviously at CHF.
Lee actually did quite well at Full Foward. I remember one game against the Saints, where he kicked 9 goals. Roach in the mean time was picking up his 20 possessions a game plus about 10 marks. Cloke - well he was just smashing people, which was just fantastic!!
Taylor came back towards the end of the season, and picked up where he left off, bagging 4 against the Blues in a loosing side, and then 7 the following week.
But then BT did something really stupid - he got into an argument with the coach Francis Bourke over the fundimental incompatibility between modern cost accounting standards and recent advances in the treatment of fungal infections of the scalp.......... no not really, i just made that bit up!
He got injured again - just a minor injury and missed the second semi final.
Come Grand Final week, we had all 4 big men fit - and the media started questioning whether or not we could get away with playing all 4 big men in the one side against the Blues on Grand Final day.
To make matters worse, it rained all week...............
and the rest is history. BT was left out and we lost.
I also remember that Richmond - although wanting him to stay, did state that they would give him an open clearance if he chose to leave the club.
BT put the decision off for a month or two so the emotion would be taken out of his decision - and ended up staying for a few more seasons.
But yup - we lost Raines, Cloke and Wood.
We also had a couple of good youngsters coming up, that left soon after! Can anyone remember the likes of Michael Nugent (ruckman), Colin Waterson (CHF), Jeff Martin (wing), Wayne Shand (back flank), Freame and Vernon - running players.
We lost Raines, Cloke and Wood over fairly minor pay increases, but spent enough in the courts fighting the Woods to keep their services that the club was financially bled dry.
And can you remember Collingwoods banner when we next met them with both Cloke and Raines in their colours?
"Richmond's luck! Caught in the Woods, without a Cloke and it Raines"!
Gawd i hate them.
AH 1982! Really the last year where the tiges were THE dominant force.
The real and ONLY reason IMO we lost the GF was the fault of one Francis Bourke(I loved him as a player, not as a coach). The so-called fitness test he put onto Malthouse, was despicable and unwarranted. A 70% fit Malthouse and his heart, would easily have seen finish the game. Instead, he smashes his shoulder countless times (highly unlikely that he would have copped that in the match), the result the Blues small forwards had a field day.
Fireman_Sam, that Thursday before the GF was the start of the implosion.
The real and ONLY reason IMO we lost the GF was the fault of one Francis Bourke(I loved him as a player, not as a coach). The so-called fitness test he put onto Malthouse, was despicable and unwarranted. A 70% fit Malthouse and his heart, would easily have seen finish the game. Instead, he smashes his shoulder countless times (highly unlikely that he would have copped that in the match), the result the Blues small forwards had a field day.
Fireman_Sam, that Thursday before the GF was the start of the implosion.
