Jayden Short

[Coburgtiger]

As fine as he is playing now i tend to agree with Spook/Tigersnake that Jayden is being a little overrated on these boards

I think it's a little simpler than analysing his stats, which his are no doubt impressive.

We won a GF without Short and his accurate kick/hard running.

Therefore I don't see him as an integral part of our back-line and could be substituted reasonably easily.

By all means, lets sign him up and pay him what he is worth. Not sure what is reasonable in terms of $$ but he should be in the middle tier of player payments

We did win a GF without him. But we did have a player like him last year. Houli. Shorty has kicked it up a notch.

We did win a premiership last year. But at this point I the year, we weren't first, with a percentage of 137.8, and clearly the best side in the competition.

He's contributing to us being a better side than last year. Which is something.

 

[Baron Samedi]

I do like Jayden Short but also believe he is only been as good as he is so far thanks to Rance,Grimes,Vlastuin,Broad,Astbury & Houli doing alot of the hard lifting and giving him the chance to be free and loose to be able to do what he has done

When i hear comments like the player owes the club for selecting them in the draft at picks #1 - #30 i think to myself he doesnt owe them Sh!t as the player was getting selected on his talents by another club anyway.

But when a player gets selected by a club as a Rookie and gets given 3 years of development and gifted games early on and been paid to be in a elite environment when it was extremely unlikely he would have been selected by another club and could have been playing VFL/WAFL/SANFL for 4/5 years and maybe never becoming the player he is now. He Owes the Club

Jayden Short - You Owe Richmond

He was pretty good last year. The romantic in me says we owe him a flag.

 

[TigerMasochist]

But when a player gets selected by a club as a Rookie and gets given 3 years of development and gifted games early on and been paid to be in a elite environment when it was extremely unlikely he would have been selected by another club and could have been playing VFL/WAFL/SANFL for 4/5 years and maybe never becoming the player he is now. He Owes the Club

Jayden Short - You Owe Richmond

Phhhht!
Gifted nothing, easily earned his keep so far on initial rookie wage and modest second term contract. His performance last year was good for an inexperienced youngster and is better again this year. He's entitled to put the hand up n negotiate a new contract in an effort to set up his life. Young fella has shown more than enough talent to take over Bash's role as the rebounding, game opening defender in his first few years of footy. Never going to be in the elite star bracket, but from what he's already shown the last couple of years, he's going to be one of those reliable quality second tier players for 150 to 200 games providing the support necessary for the stars to do their thing. Another like Bash or Grigga, consistently performs his role at a very good standard.

 

[tigertim]

At this rate he could be the first “big fish” North actually land....

 

[Brettstigers]

Human nature being what it is - this scenario is very unlikely to happen. If Short were truly after the $$ then you win the GF with Richmond (rubs tummy whilst throwing salt over left shoulder and hopping up and down on right foot on a wooden floor - damn where is a dead cat when you need one) and then hold out for the highest bidder after the GF to maximise the offer.

 

[MD Jazz]

Interesting comparison to Wilson. Funny that you say he is bigger, stronger, wins the ball back from the bad guys, but averages less contested possessions (which you seem to rate very highly), less tackles, less bounces, less score involvements than Shorty. The only stats he's better than Short at (bar the ones that are borderline between the 2) are TOG % (which being as Shorty gets more possessions suggest we are getting bang for our buck when he's on the park, 1%'s and marks per game. I'd say we are getting more out of Shorty than Freo are out of Wilson.

Even allowing for playing for a weaker team, I looked at Wilsons stats from last season and the same trend exists. Overall Wilson has played twice the number of games of Shorty so I know which I'd prefer.

In terms of Murray, he got slightly more disposals. Pretty similar in CP's, but where Shorty is better is a far better disposal efficiency, significantly lower clangers, higher rebound 50's, higher score involvements and much higher metres gained.

Also in terms of Yarran, at the same age Shorty is far far ahead of where Yarran was.

I think you massively under rate both the role that he plays in our gameplan and also how he performs that role.

Spot on posh.

 

[123cups]

I’m probably underrating him but since most of his kicks are long and to a contest, I think his kicking accuracy gets overrated. In a poor team I don’t think he’d be anything special. He’s a simple player, which looks good within our get it forward gameplan, but Short isn’t individually brilliant enough to warrant a large contract offer for mine. He’s another good classic Richmond role player who can easily be replaced within his pay bracket. I’d prefer he stays, but wont ever expect him to star for another club on big coin. Leaving would be a mistake for him.

 

[Kaelan]

Shorty can do what only very few can do in the modern era kick both feet. He is genuinely dual sided which gives him and our team a tremendous advantage in orchestrating the quick switch

 

[tigerlove]

I’m probably underrating him but since most of his kicks are long and to a contest, I think his kicking accuracy gets overrated. In a poor team I don’t think he’d be anything special.

That's the same of any outside player, they rely on their team mates more, but that doesn't devalue them. Line breakers who move the ball quickly and make a lot of ground are invaluable. I wouldn't put him in the class of Isaac Smith at Hawthorn but similar in terms of reliance on other players. He's only averaging 2.6 tackles and 5 contested possessions but they'd put the ball in his hands at every opportunity on the outside purely because he is so damaging.

 

[yandb]

I’m probably underrating him but since most of his kicks are long and to a contest, I think his kicking accuracy gets overrated. In a poor team I don’t think he’d be anything special. He’s a simple player, which looks good within our get it forward gameplan, but Short isn’t individually brilliant enough to warrant a large contract offer for mine. He’s another good classic Richmond role player who can easily be replaced within his pay bracket. I’d prefer he stays, but wont ever expect him to star for another club on big coin. Leaving would be a mistake for him.

Houli bombs it long to a lot of contests so do you also question his kicking accuracy?

 

[zippadeee]

I’m probably underrating him but since most of his kicks are long and to a contest, I think his kicking accuracy gets overrated. In a poor team I don’t think he’d be anything special. He’s a simple player, which looks good within our get it forward gameplan, but Short isn’t individually brilliant enough to warrant a large contract offer for mine. He’s another good classic Richmond role player who can easily be replaced within his pay bracket. I’d prefer he stays, but wont ever expect him to star for another club on big coin. Leaving would be a mistake for him.

100% agree. Matty white part 2. Would replace him in 3 seconds

 

[Coburgtiger]

He's only averaging 2.6 tackles and 5 contested possessions but they'd put the ball in his hands at every opportunity on the outside purely because he is so damaging.

Only? Those aren't bad numbers for a player in his position.
He has better average tackle numbers than Rance, Astbury, Houli, McIntosh, Menadue all of whom have played through the backline or as runners this year.
He has better contested possession averages than all of those bar Rance as well.
Also, Isaac smith is often brought up as the bench mark, 15 games 81 contested possessions.
Shorty 15 games 82 contested possessions.

 

[yandb]

100% agree. Matty white part 2. Would replace him in 3 seconds

With who Zips?

 

[zippadeee]

With who Zips?

Markov, baker, Naish all good kicks and all have pace.
He isn't irreplaceable

 

[lukeanddad]

Short has kicked 8 goals off half back this year.

If he can average 10-15/year it’s a very useful extra string to his bow

 

[tigerman]

We've won 3 more games than this time last year, we are a better side..................................................?

 

[tigerlove]

Only? Those aren't bad numbers for a player in his position.
He has better average tackle numbers than Rance, Astbury, Houli, McIntosh, Menadue all of whom have played through the backline or as runners this year.
He has better contested possession averages than all of those bar Rance as well.
Also, Isaac smith is often brought up as the bench mark, 15 games 81 contested possessions.
Shorty 15 games 82 contested possessions.

You're comparing to two key backmen who almost always have lower stats in this area (don't think any key backman are in top 100 players in either of these two stats). Houli we know is not a contested or tackling beast, he's another predominantly outside player and McIntosh, well let's not go there. Menadue is currently a reserves player. Isaac Smith has relatively low stats in this area as does Shorty. My point was you don't expect them to have high stats in this area as they are predominantly played as outside players for their run and carry. I'm not knocking Isaac, I was supporting the reasons for having his and Shorty's type in your team. For comparison other players you'd consider more outside than inside would be guys like Gaff (9.3 contested, 3.1 tackles), Polec (8.4 contested, 3.4 tackles), Motlop (4.1 contested, 3.5 tackles) even Grigg (7.3 contested, 2.6 tackles) who was often maligned for being too outside have mostly better stats in that area than Isaac.

 

[Scoop]

Leads the league in meters gained since Round 10 and is taking great care of the ball.

https://***********/ethan_meldrum/status/1016880662647791616

Fair old time to be out of contract. Price is rising. Have a look at the names floating around him. Good company.

And pick 25 might not be enough now. Might be sub 20.

 

[Jonesracing82]

Must keep!

 

[mad_tiggy911]

Short is worth a 1st rounder.