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No-Bias Richmond review: 2005. / The New, Revised, Updated Version of the UnBiased report on Richmon
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Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
Bentleigh
Nice summary but I dont think marks out of 10, 40 or 80 make much sense
The clud is $3million in debt, finished bottom, lost 14 in a row, did not gain much from the trade and draft in experienced players and continued to pick up kids some of who could be very good and some not, but all will take 3 years to make a big enough impression to change the clubs results significantly.
The only other factor is the coach so if the team improves greatly or even a bit this year it will have to be coaching, so you might be a bit pessimistic with your summary and probably could have give a bigger score to the coach ie 20/30 because he could make a bigger impact than 8/10
Where does 34/80 mean they will finish on the ladder, and would 46/100 put them higher.
Bentleigh
Nice summary but I dont think marks out of 10, 40 or 80 make much sense
The clud is $3million in debt, finished bottom, lost 14 in a row, did not gain much from the trade and draft in experienced players and continued to pick up kids some of who could be very good and some not, but all will take 3 years to make a big enough impression to change the clubs results significantly.
The only other factor is the coach so if the team improves greatly or even a bit this year it will have to be coaching, so you might be a bit pessimistic with your summary and probably could have give a bigger score to the coach ie 20/30 because he could make a bigger impact than 8/10
Where does 34/80 mean they will finish on the ladder, and would 46/100 put them higher.
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
i don't mind criticism and I'd read any review on Richmond.
This one goes OUCh but i'm inclined to agree with all that.
One point though. The article didn't mention that the players haven't performed because the previous coaches couldn't get the players to play.
I'm tipping that the change in atmosphere that the new recruits and coaches have brought will bring us at least 10 wins this season.
2005...the cusp of the top 8
2006..finals
2007...the real joy....more finals :clap
i don't mind criticism and I'd read any review on Richmond.
This one goes OUCh but i'm inclined to agree with all that.
One point though. The article didn't mention that the players haven't performed because the previous coaches couldn't get the players to play.
I'm tipping that the change in atmosphere that the new recruits and coaches have brought will bring us at least 10 wins this season.
2005...the cusp of the top 8
2006..finals
2007...the real joy....more finals :clap
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
It's probably a bit rude to copy someone else's entire post from another site. If they wished us to discuss their views and ask for explanations they'd probably post it here themselves. We don't know who that person barracks for or if they are genuine or have any kind of a clue.
It's probably a bit rude to copy someone else's entire post from another site. If they wished us to discuss their views and ask for explanations they'd probably post it here themselves. We don't know who that person barracks for or if they are genuine or have any kind of a clue.
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
Geez, Bentleigh, if I was to believe all that, I don't think any of us would be looking forward to 2005 in any shape or form.
Don't know who wrote it, and don't intend to access the link, but wonder if he or she is a Richmond person. Sounds like it, but there are factors not taken into account.... mainly it is based on last year's effort, if one can call it effort.
What's more I don't agree with some of the summation re players, eg, my own opinion is that Chaffey is better than "servicable."
BTW, is this your view as well??
Geez, Bentleigh, if I was to believe all that, I don't think any of us would be looking forward to 2005 in any shape or form.
Don't know who wrote it, and don't intend to access the link, but wonder if he or she is a Richmond person. Sounds like it, but there are factors not taken into account.... mainly it is based on last year's effort, if one can call it effort.
What's more I don't agree with some of the summation re players, eg, my own opinion is that Chaffey is better than "servicable."
BTW, is this your view as well??
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
Though it's not what we want to believe on PRE it is a fairly honest assessment of how other club's supporters see us.
5 wins out of our last 36 (or whatever) and a $3.0 million loss over the last two years is harking back to the Saints of the 80's. Is it any wonder we are such a laughing stock to others?
Though it's not what we want to believe on PRE it is a fairly honest assessment of how other club's supporters see us.
5 wins out of our last 36 (or whatever) and a $3.0 million loss over the last two years is harking back to the Saints of the 80's. Is it any wonder we are such a laughing stock to others?
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
you can have all the reviews you like but really no one knows how we will go until we get into the season and l hope lm coming to pre and reading everyone saying l didnt think we would go this well in terry wallaces first year as our coach go tiges
you can have all the reviews you like but really no one knows how we will go until we get into the season and l hope lm coming to pre and reading everyone saying l didnt think we would go this well in terry wallaces first year as our coach go tiges
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
Agree,despite all the hype re Wallace & recruits the fact is until we start winning games our credibility will not come back.Throw in Caseys financial mismanagement means we have furthered damaged our reputation.However with Wallace heading the onfield & Wright the off-field hopefully it won't be long before we are a respected force in the AFL.jb03 said:
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
lets face the club is a shambles and no wonder we get ridaculed...
agree 80 per cent with this summary, we have been in this shithole for over 20 years and in my opinion until Miller obtained Wallace i had grave fears for this club...
personally i think everyone is under selling Wallet, career coach whom i believe will leave no stone unturned in his quest for premiership glory and what better club than the mighty tigers....
only way to disprove this article is for the team to come out this season and at least play with some pride in the jumper which i think as supporters it is not to much to ask for.... :
lets face the club is a shambles and no wonder we get ridaculed...
agree 80 per cent with this summary, we have been in this shithole for over 20 years and in my opinion until Miller obtained Wallace i had grave fears for this club...
personally i think everyone is under selling Wallet, career coach whom i believe will leave no stone unturned in his quest for premiership glory and what better club than the mighty tigers....
only way to disprove this article is for the team to come out this season and at least play with some pride in the jumper which i think as supporters it is not to much to ask for.... :
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
Thought a review meant in retrospect, past. Can't review something that hasn't happened IMO.
Call it a preview if you must, either way it's the biggest load of uninformed rubbish I've read in a long time .
Same old same old.
(Get my drift?)
Thought a review meant in retrospect, past. Can't review something that hasn't happened IMO.
Call it a preview if you must, either way it's the biggest load of uninformed rubbish I've read in a long time .
Same old same old.
(Get my drift?
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Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
All of the assessments of season 2005 thus far have been based on tangible facts; ie, 14 straight losses last year, 13 losses from the last 14 games of 2003, etc, etc, etc.
The difference with my assessment of the Tiges in season 2005 is the intangibles; ie, effect on morale of new coach, new players, new lease of life from the senior players. All of these intangibles will get us into the eight next year.
All of the assessments of season 2005 thus far have been based on tangible facts; ie, 14 straight losses last year, 13 losses from the last 14 games of 2003, etc, etc, etc.
The difference with my assessment of the Tiges in season 2005 is the intangibles; ie, effect on morale of new coach, new players, new lease of life from the senior players. All of these intangibles will get us into the eight next year.
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
I haven't seen much of big footy but what I've seen has been sh!t. They don't have a clue.
I haven't seen much of big footy but what I've seen has been sh!t. They don't have a clue.
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
Good one Anduril. Even though I said I would not have a looksee at the link, I ended up doing so. It would appear from this person's previous posts he or she is a Pussy Cat supporter. Maybe not very happy with getting the little donut!!
Anduril said:Thought a review meant in retrospect, past. Can't review something that hasn't happened IMO.
Call it a preview if you must, either way it's the biggest load of uninformed rubbish I've read in a long time .
Same old same old.
(Get my drift?
Good one Anduril. Even though I said I would not have a looksee at the link, I ended up doing so. It would appear from this person's previous posts he or she is a Pussy Cat supporter. Maybe not very happy with getting the little donut!!
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
DEFENCE: Well there's not a whole lot going on down here as illustrated by poor young Daniel Jackson being asked to step into CHB at times despite not even being 190cm
Danile Jackson had to play CHB for Richmond in 2004. When? Oh, for five minutes? Didn't notice. And this five minutes proves something?
When the rating for the upcoming season (based on the text) purports to be a review and opens with a gem like this, it is usually a waste of tiime to read on. But I did. Maybe it would improve.
Might I ask how a team which has one midfielder who played in 2004 (K.Johnson) could rate 4/10? Nathan Brown on his 2004 form would be a frontline midfielder at any club? I see. Like Pt Adelaide, Brisbane, StKilda, Geelong, etc? Another baseless assertion. So far one midfielder.
:thumbsdown
Why bother?
Bentleigh, I would very much prefer to read your views.
DEFENCE: Well there's not a whole lot going on down here as illustrated by poor young Daniel Jackson being asked to step into CHB at times despite not even being 190cm
Danile Jackson had to play CHB for Richmond in 2004. When? Oh, for five minutes? Didn't notice. And this five minutes proves something?
When the rating for the upcoming season (based on the text) purports to be a review and opens with a gem like this, it is usually a waste of tiime to read on. But I did. Maybe it would improve.
Might I ask how a team which has one midfielder who played in 2004 (K.Johnson) could rate 4/10? Nathan Brown on his 2004 form would be a frontline midfielder at any club? I see. Like Pt Adelaide, Brisbane, StKilda, Geelong, etc? Another baseless assertion. So far one midfielder.
:thumbsdown
Why bother?
Bentleigh, I would very much prefer to read your views.
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
Everyone knows that Richmond has been a rabble for many years.
However, I personally think that we are heading in the right direction finally.
Just have a look at our playing list. We've turned over two thirds of our list in just two years. We've got rid of our coaching department from last year. Greg Beck is also gone.
On board, we have a great coach in Terry Wallace, some great assistances, new players and the team that is going to develop these kids into champions. Yes, the club may be asking for more from these kids, but the club is making a long term investment in these kids.
This is the first time I can honestly say, this club is going places.
I am not expecting much this season, but it's 2006 and beyond I look foward to.
Everyone knows that Richmond has been a rabble for many years.
However, I personally think that we are heading in the right direction finally.
Just have a look at our playing list. We've turned over two thirds of our list in just two years. We've got rid of our coaching department from last year. Greg Beck is also gone.
On board, we have a great coach in Terry Wallace, some great assistances, new players and the team that is going to develop these kids into champions. Yes, the club may be asking for more from these kids, but the club is making a long term investment in these kids.
This is the first time I can honestly say, this club is going places.
I am not expecting much this season, but it's 2006 and beyond I look foward to.
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
Everyone's mouth has two sides and I reckon we all will be laughing out of both during this season. Lets not waste our time justifing opposition tripe.
Everyone's mouth has two sides and I reckon we all will be laughing out of both during this season. Lets not waste our time justifing opposition tripe.
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
I would be more than a little curious to see were this bloke rated richmond at this time last year!Seeing as a lot of respected football commentators ranked us[and indeed whorethorn] in the 8 and some even in the top 4 shows that its a game played between the ears with the spirit of teams and individual players balanced on a knife edge,and nobody from any team should be that pessimistic. Add to that the fact the most punters had Melbourne,Geelong and Carlton as bottom 3 shows that percieved February talent is hit or miss judgement .I prefer to look at the glass half full and am not booking any holidays in September....GO TIGES
I would be more than a little curious to see were this bloke rated richmond at this time last year!Seeing as a lot of respected football commentators ranked us[and indeed whorethorn] in the 8 and some even in the top 4 shows that its a game played between the ears with the spirit of teams and individual players balanced on a knife edge,and nobody from any team should be that pessimistic. Add to that the fact the most punters had Melbourne,Geelong and Carlton as bottom 3 shows that percieved February talent is hit or miss judgement .I prefer to look at the glass half full and am not booking any holidays in September....GO TIGES
Re: No-Bias Richmond review: 2005.
Gives a very intersting and valid insightwhow the average, non-bias football fans sees our club and specficly for the upcomming season?
Couldnt the same be said about any forum? ie. PRE?
Why do you claim big footy is 'rubbish'. Most see it as by far the best AFL forum on the net.
I find it refreshing to read a preview no stuffed full of bias and optimism. Rather, a honest non-bias view.
Maybe we shouldnt be looing to 2005 too much the eh? Lets be realistic.
The bloke who wrote is quite 'in the know'. Ive read all his reviews and they are top self . Much better than phantoms - In My Opion.
He is a Geelong fan and her certainly knows his footy. They are not only based on the past but also what has been happening over the pre-season.
Well worth a read.
Dyer'ere said:
Gives a very intersting and valid insightwhow the average, non-bias football fans sees our club and specficly for the upcomming season?
Tubytiger said:Big footy = absolute rubbish :
Couldnt the same be said about any forum? ie. PRE?
Why do you claim big footy is 'rubbish'. Most see it as by far the best AFL forum on the net.
I find it refreshing to read a preview no stuffed full of bias and optimism. Rather, a honest non-bias view.
graystar1 said:
Maybe we shouldnt be looing to 2005 too much the eh? Lets be realistic.
The bloke who wrote is quite 'in the know'. Ive read all his reviews and they are top self . Much better than phantoms - In My Opion.
He is a Geelong fan and her certainly knows his footy. They are not only based on the past but also what has been happening over the pre-season.
Well worth a read.
