No need thanks Phantom. I was just interested because someone posted recently that we should be following the Cat's drafting, or words to that effect, a la Terry Wallace. I saw the Hawks are similar average age to us (22.45R 22.88H) yet have a higher average games (43.24R 49.96H) . I don't recall Geelong being rock bottom in recent times but I remember when the Hawks were cellar dwellers with us. They seem to have drafted well and got games into their young players while being very competitive playing finals and winning a GF. It just doesn't sit right with me to continually read we have to expect a couple of years of not winning games, citing us having the youngest list in the league. Surely we can be competitive while developing the list if we do it correctly.