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Palestine and Israel
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Shown by Al mayerdeen tv.
“Al Mayadeen is an Iran-aligned Lebanese pan-Arabist satellite news television channel based in the city of Beirut. Launched on 11 June 2012, it has news reporters in most of the Arab countries”
Not that they’d have any agenda. Truly independent, Iran aligned! That says it all. Try something else.
I read that there is a report now that those buried in the mass graves, were the result of Hamas militants executing them for being suspected collaborators with Israel.
Simple shocking news!!!
Hey Bernie. You forgot to mention the “antisemitism” was a reference to what was happening in universities.
Netanyahu’s comments came against the backdrop of police deployments to break up pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University and numerous other US campuses. In some universities, faculty members have been arrested, including the chair of the philosophy department and a professor of English and Indigenous studies at Emory University in Atlanta.
Jewish students have reported feeling threatened by the protests and heated atmosphere that followed Hamas’s attack on Israel on 7 October, resulting in the deaths of about 1,200 Israelis and the kidnapping of more than 200 others.
Videos posted on social media have depicted anti-Israel protesters shouting “go back to Poland” and “go back to Belarus”, apparently at Jewish students. A congressional hearing earlier in April into a reported upsurge of antisemitism at Columbia heard allegations that Jewish students had been subjected to taunts of “F the Jews”.
Bernie, did you actually address the attacks on the Jewish students? No, oh Netanyahu was the easier target eh.
And just to follow on your rave, Mr Netanyahu doesn’t decide every action by himself.
Bernie , You also forgot to mention that if Hamas hadn’t committed those atrocities, none of the following happens. Gaza wouldn’t have been invaded, those innocent civilian lives wouldn’t have been lost. The injured and maimed would be whole, the damage wouldn’t have been done.
Bernie Sanders….If he wasn’t a senile old fool he would have condemned that action as well.
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Already comprehend the semitic side of your comment here Sinner. But when you have even half a thought about the history of this region or the European region, or the British region of the world. These disputes and hatreds go back hundreds or thousands of years so it's simply meaningless to go "well it all started after WW2 when a few interferers handed a *smile* load of stuff to the Jews ".
Isn't there some 300 or more different languages and gawd knows how many different indigenous tribes that were in Oz when the Poms invaded n took over? So if there was to be some sort of handing back or claim of ownership. Who the *smile* would get what little share of which bit? And the really ugly questions then would be. Are the mixed race descendants entitled to any portion of disputed n claimed land? Or should they all get kicked out of Oz n back to whatever Brit / Euro trash country has the strongest % of their heritage?
Yep, because world leaders of the time tried to work out some sort of shared arrangement to help an area of the world grow n heal after WW2 and reinstate to an area the Jews claimed was their original homeland, recognising that they'd been massively persecuted for generations. Yet none of the mad *smile* in that area could be bothered trying to work together n would simply prefer to kaboom the *smile* out of one another until nothing and no-one is left.
One thing strikes me as strange in regard to the madness unfolding there at the moment. Everyone's pretty much in agreeance that Iran along with their proxies Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis are constantly undermining peace and stability in the region. By constantly sniping at Israel and then Oct 7, yet for all the massive over reaction / retaliation by Israel on Gaza n the Palestinians. There's been barely a peep out of any of the other Arabic countries regarding this.
I know the Israelis have been working for years with many other countries to try n get up peace n trade agreements so maybe the rest of the Arabic nations are pretty much jack of all the strife that's been going on for so long n finally might believe it's time to co-exist.
Not going to get into a debate about it TM except to say
1. Irans involvement is a lot about a battle for regional power with Saudi Arabia.
2. An understanding of whose land it was in ancient history is something that in the end will not come down to one answer.
People like to pick a date that suits them. 1948 was when the State of Israel was declared.
You could go back to 1917 for the Balfour Declaration, or just after that when Winston Churchill sliced the biggest part of the land promised to the Palestinians and gave it to a Arab Hashemite chief to shut him up. That land became TransJordan, later Jordan.
Too many interferers. But regardless, even if the Palestinians did get that land as well as the parts they did, they wouldn’t have been happy with the Jews getting any.
If you saw the original land Israel was allocated and they agreed to and what the Palestinians were given and rejected you might be surprised.
But every time they instigated a war and lost. They went crying to all and sundry how Israel wouldn’t give them back everything. Then they instigated another war. Then another and still complained when they lost.
And that mentality hasn’t changed. I doubt if ever will.
Because just about every country know what they’re like. They don’t give a *smile* if their suicide bombers kill Jews or arabs in Israel. Or their missiles.
When Egypt governed Gaza, the Ppalestininans with the Muslim Brotherhood tried to overthrow the Egyptian government. Terror attacks on any and everyone.
In Jordan the PLO under Arafat tried to assassinate King Hussein several times, until the Black September and Hussein sic Ed his military on them and booted thousands of Palestinians out.
Lebanon and Syria might have some refugees!, Now Hezbollah they just want to invade and eradicate Israel of any Jews.
No sane country wants anything to do with them. No doubt there are ordinary Palestinians who would be a benefit to any country they went to. But it’s hard to discern the ordinary fella from those with terror ties or ambitions (young children excepted from that generalisation ie U/10).
Most don’t want to leave. The only refugees were the original people who lived on what is now Israeli land. The 2nd, 3rd, 4th generations aren’t. They can’t be classed as refugees as they were born on Palestinian land and still live on Palestinian land.
I can understand the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon or Syria receiving aid. Why doesn't the UNHCR work in those countries?
How the hell does UNRNWA work there and in Gaza and the WB? Why are they different than the refugee crises in Africa?
To me, and I know I’ll get howled down and be accused of everything, I think the UNRNWA isn’t needed, is a rort to be exhorted and does little to encourage Gaza’s and WB Palestinians to do anything to find any solutions.
Just keep playing the victim and getting handouts for 75 years. There aren’t too many of the original refugees left now. Do the children, grandchildren and great grandchildren and great great grandchildren class themselves as refugees? Obciously they must because all those countries are giving them $billions each year. Hardly any incentive to make hard decisions and find solutions.
How long will it last for? Another 75 years?
But before they do, maybe people should look up the definition of refugee.
But no doubt the Palestinian refugee comes under a different classification because…
Interesting read. I bet the people in Gaza and the West Bank wish they knew this
Zuheir Mohsen (Arabic: زهير محسن; 1936 – 25 July 1979) was a Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria As-Sa'iqa Ba'athist faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) between 1971 and 1979.
Previously active in the Jordanian wing of the Ba'ath Party, he was chosen for this position after defense minister Hafez al-Assad's 1969–70 takeover in Syria, which he had supported against the previously dominant government of Salah Jadid. Mohsen was also a member of the National Command of the Ba'ath Party.[1]
Mohsen rose to the position of heading as-Sa'iqa thanks to his close links to Assad, who after taking power in Syria purged the movement of its leftist elements (bringing it ideologically closer to Fatah) and appointed Mohsen as its General Secretary.[4]
Mohsen himself stated that "The Palestinian people does not exist … there is no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he stated that "between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons", representing the Ba'athist perspective regarding the question of Palestine.[5]
Journalist Robert Fisk claimed that As-Saiqa, under Mohsen, employed its energies against the PLO[6] stating that in June 1976 he saw "the PLO in open combat within West Beirut against As-Saiqa, who had attacked Arafat's forces on orders from Damascus."[7]
en.wikipedia.org
| Zuheir Mohsen | |
|---|---|
| زهير محسن | |
 | |
| Born | 1936 Tulkarm, Mandatory Palestine |
| Died | 25 July 1979 (aged 42–43) Cannes, France |
| Cause of death | Assassinated |
| Nationality | Jordanian |
| Occupation | Leader of the pro-Syria as-Sa'iqafaction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) |
| Political party |
Previously active in the Jordanian wing of the Ba'ath Party, he was chosen for this position after defense minister Hafez al-Assad's 1969–70 takeover in Syria, which he had supported against the previously dominant government of Salah Jadid. Mohsen was also a member of the National Command of the Ba'ath Party.[1]
Early life
Mohsen was born in Tulkarm, Mandatory Palestine, now in the northern West Bank, where his father was the mukhtar (head of the town).[2] He became involved in political activity at a young age, joining the Ba'ath party at the age of 17.[3] Mohsen trained as a teacher but lost his job in 1957 after being arrested for "subversive activity". He subsequently spent time in Qatar, from where he was eventually deported as a result of his political activity, before making his way to Damascus where he helped form as-Sa'iqa.[3]Mohsen rose to the position of heading as-Sa'iqa thanks to his close links to Assad, who after taking power in Syria purged the movement of its leftist elements (bringing it ideologically closer to Fatah) and appointed Mohsen as its General Secretary.[4]
Political views
Mohsen essentially followed the line of as-Sa'iqa's Syrian Ba'athist ideology, which interpreted the Palestinian question through a perspective of pan-Arab nationalism. In some respects this contravened the PLO charter, which affirmed the existence of a future Palestinian State.Mohsen himself stated that "The Palestinian people does not exist … there is no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he stated that "between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons", representing the Ba'athist perspective regarding the question of Palestine.[5]
Journalist Robert Fisk claimed that As-Saiqa, under Mohsen, employed its energies against the PLO[6] stating that in June 1976 he saw "the PLO in open combat within West Beirut against As-Saiqa, who had attacked Arafat's forces on orders from Damascus."[7]
Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia
Apparently the Arabs didn’t want this land, or more importaptly they didn’t want the Jews to have their part so rejected the lot.
And the 1948 war began.
Pan Arab forces broadcast warnings for Arabs to leave their homes so as not to be caught up in the fighting. The start of the “Nakba” where the Palestinians took the advice of their would be liberators and left their homes voluntarily.
More were to follow. Squatters kicked off the land by the owners. Others removed form land granted to Israel.
The same as the Israeli Jews that had previously lived on land granted to the Palest8nians. They had to leave their homes as well.
And the 1948 war began.
Pan Arab forces broadcast warnings for Arabs to leave their homes so as not to be caught up in the fighting. The start of the “Nakba” where the Palestinians took the advice of their would be liberators and left their homes voluntarily.
More were to follow. Squatters kicked off the land by the owners. Others removed form land granted to Israel.
The same as the Israeli Jews that had previously lived on land granted to the Palest8nians. They had to leave their homes as well.
This interview goes for a while, but he’s a brilliant man. Witty, knowledgeable, speaks well on different subjects, scathing of the Israeli government.
Differing views no doubt, but still well worth watching.
Don’t let the headline put you off, its just the usual YouTube header
Differing views no doubt, but still well worth watching.
Don’t let the headline put you off, its just the usual YouTube header
