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Parkin rewriting History
- Thread starter Sintiger
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I think we can all lose ourselves in wondering what on earth happened post '82. I know I was so retrospectively incensed (now that's a strange emotion) that I wrote a piece for Inside Sport back in 2005 that attempted to get to the bottom of our seemingly perpetual mediocrity.
If anyone is interested, I uploaded it a couple of years ago - just use the + (zoom) function to blow it up to a readable state:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22009465/The-state-of-Richmond-Tigers-Inside-Sport
Naturally, the chief protagonist GR was long dead by then. Francis Bourke did his best to absolve GR from the mayhem that descended in the summer of '82 but other RFC luminaries have subsequently suggested the rot set in as far back as the Pitura wrangle.
If anyone is interested, I uploaded it a couple of years ago - just use the + (zoom) function to blow it up to a readable state:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22009465/The-state-of-Richmond-Tigers-Inside-Sport
Naturally, the chief protagonist GR was long dead by then. Francis Bourke did his best to absolve GR from the mayhem that descended in the summer of '82 but other RFC luminaries have subsequently suggested the rot set in as far back as the Pitura wrangle.
EJC said:
A really easy read, with a few titbits I hadn't heard before. Well done. A bit depressing considering Wallace hadn't coached a game, though!
That's great EJC , what a read even though it was so depressing recalling each disaster .EJC said:
In reading this thread its amazing the number of ordinary footballers we have recruited to the Club .
It seems that the players couldn't cope with an ex-teammate being their coach and a disciplinarian one at that.
I recall David Cloke being interviewed on World of Sport after leaving the club moaning that he felt he was being treated like a child by Bourke (I am paraphrasing). One example he gave is that Francis forced them to watch next weeks opponent and take notes on the players they would be oppssed to next week.
Maybe Francis was just ahead of his time.
I recall David Cloke being interviewed on World of Sport after leaving the club moaning that he felt he was being treated like a child by Bourke (I am paraphrasing). One example he gave is that Francis forced them to watch next weeks opponent and take notes on the players they would be oppssed to next week.
Maybe Francis was just ahead of his time.
serpico66 said:
There was quite a bit of angst among the players from memory. Bartlett was unhappy about being played off the bench, due to Bourke's theory that he wasn't able to run out a full game.
Though many of my recollections from this time have faded, the sense that Sheedy had been lost to the RFC, after being an assistant coach in 1980 wore heavily.
It was felt that if action wasn't taken to retain Bourke, that he'd be lost too.
That pushed the club into replacing Jewell with Bourke.
Of course, Sheedy and Bourke were very different types -
Bourke the Spartan with stealth and discipline,
Sheedy the Athenian with wisdom and new ideas.
I remember that word came out during 1982 that there was a rift between the drinkers and the non-drinkers,
and there was angst at the money Rioli was getting, compared to key others.
The rest is history.
It was felt that if action wasn't taken to retain Bourke, that he'd be lost too.
That pushed the club into replacing Jewell with Bourke.
Of course, Sheedy and Bourke were very different types -
Bourke the Spartan with stealth and discipline,
Sheedy the Athenian with wisdom and new ideas.
I remember that word came out during 1982 that there was a rift between the drinkers and the non-drinkers,
and there was angst at the money Rioli was getting, compared to key others.
The rest is history.
Yes, true enough Phantom.
Raines has subsequently gone on record to state he wasn't asking for 'more' as it were, just an amount equal to what RFC was paying Rioli. Given Raines was a triple B&F winner and premiership player, I dare say his request was not out of order.
Of course, GR's theory was that you needed to keep blokes under pressure...bring in Monteath to turn up the heat on Sheedy, bring in Taylor to turn up the heat on Roach, etc., and likewise with Rioli. This sort of tactic went back years.
Cloke, and Wood (to lesser extent), felt that Bourke was too tough and/or belittling them at times and Francis has taken a fair amount of blame for the fallout, to his credit. For his part, GR thought Cloke's game in the '82 GF was exceptionally poor and let everyone know about it. Once the offer of a better quid came Cloke's way, he was gone for dust.
Raines has subsequently gone on record to state he wasn't asking for 'more' as it were, just an amount equal to what RFC was paying Rioli. Given Raines was a triple B&F winner and premiership player, I dare say his request was not out of order.
Of course, GR's theory was that you needed to keep blokes under pressure...bring in Monteath to turn up the heat on Sheedy, bring in Taylor to turn up the heat on Roach, etc., and likewise with Rioli. This sort of tactic went back years.
Cloke, and Wood (to lesser extent), felt that Bourke was too tough and/or belittling them at times and Francis has taken a fair amount of blame for the fallout, to his credit. For his part, GR thought Cloke's game in the '82 GF was exceptionally poor and let everyone know about it. Once the offer of a better quid came Cloke's way, he was gone for dust.
I kind of remember GR's comments about Cloke and remember being quite miffed about them.
Cloke in that 2nd quarter was instrumental in getting us back into the game, especially in the wet.
Roach was largely ineffective up on a HFF, with Perovic breathing down his neck.
And Jess at CHF hadn't done much, except, I suppose, knock out Hunter and a couple of others.
Unless I've forgotten something, Cloke was the only key forward who fired on that rainy day.
Memory tells me Cloke kicked 3.
I think Bartlett & Rioli kicked 3 each too.
And you can raffle the rest.
Cloke was my last favourite Richmond player.
I refused to have another favourite Richmond player after that.
Except until last year.
Dustin Martin is something very special.
And it makes it special that I felt strongly about him before the recruiting dept did.
Cloke in that 2nd quarter was instrumental in getting us back into the game, especially in the wet.
Roach was largely ineffective up on a HFF, with Perovic breathing down his neck.
And Jess at CHF hadn't done much, except, I suppose, knock out Hunter and a couple of others.
Unless I've forgotten something, Cloke was the only key forward who fired on that rainy day.
Memory tells me Cloke kicked 3.
I think Bartlett & Rioli kicked 3 each too.
And you can raffle the rest.
Cloke was my last favourite Richmond player.
I refused to have another favourite Richmond player after that.
Except until last year.
Dustin Martin is something very special.
And it makes it special that I felt strongly about him before the recruiting dept did.
EJC said:
Thanks for supplying that. A bit of a depressing read, hopefully, finally the building blocks have now been put in place
There is a video of Richo interviewing Disco Roach on the RFC website where Roachy has a few interesting things to say about the 1982 Grand Final .
He said that we were a very big side and each time it rained during the game we struggled amongst other comments .
He said that we were a very big side and each time it rained during the game we struggled amongst other comments .
Sintiger said:
I remember that Qualifying Final where our forwards were way to good for them. Cloke and Roach.
Im tormented by the fact that we won that last final so easily but as much as we were favourites we lost to Carlton and Hawthorn twice that year. From memory badly.
Mick Malthouse would have been handy in that game. Given the conditions, replacing Taylor for Sartori may have been a good move.
Sintiger said:
It's very true what Roach said. If you watch the replay the game started wet, but when the rain stopped and the surface started to drain we got right on top. Then it starts raining again and the rest is history.
It was the only game where there was wet weather footy in 82, bearing in mind that season was during our 'other' great drought. In those days we spent so much recruiting time trying to get Michael Aish over here and Neville Roberts to return. Aish was on a form 4 agreement the whole time but never had the ticker to try his hand over here.
tigertim said:
There were a couple of time that the club mentioned that he was returning, but when training started for the new season he wasn't there.
