Baloo said:
I hope you're right, Malcolm Turnbull is the one flicker of hope that I can see on the horizon. Let's just hope that the fundamentalists in the LNP keep digging their own grave.
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I hope you're right, Malcolm Turnbull is the one flicker of hope that I can see on the horizon. Let's just hope that the fundamentalists in the LNP keep digging their own grave.
5 weeks since the last boat arrived and no deaths at sea in that time.
Guess we should all be grumbling about it.
Guess we should all be grumbling about it.
poppa x said:
It's the monsoon season Poppa, boats typically drop off around this time. And let's not claim victory on this so early, Indonesian relations are hanging by a thread. When Abbott starts using war rhetoric and sending the navy into foreign waters, one has to realise the games have only just begun.
So we don't send boats into Indonesian waters even when called on to do so by the people on the boats?
Even when they're drowning and the Indonesians sit on their hands?
It seems to me the Indonesian Government can't have it both ways.
Their waters means they have to help.
Our waters we have to help.
Is this the answer?
I doubt it because one side chooses not to help those in distress even in their own waters. So if our Navy knows they're in trouble, the boat is sinking, and people may drown, and we get phone calls from those on board, then we just let it happen because we can't cross the line in the ocean?
Is that what people want?
If not then exactly what do you want? Because I'm confused.
Even when they're drowning and the Indonesians sit on their hands?
It seems to me the Indonesian Government can't have it both ways.
Their waters means they have to help.
Our waters we have to help.
Is this the answer?
I doubt it because one side chooses not to help those in distress even in their own waters. So if our Navy knows they're in trouble, the boat is sinking, and people may drown, and we get phone calls from those on board, then we just let it happen because we can't cross the line in the ocean?
Is that what people want?
If not then exactly what do you want? Because I'm confused.
poppa x said:
Isn't the bolded bit International Maritime Law to help those in distress? Regardless of whose waters they are in?
This Is Anfield said:
If that was the reason then why not come clean and state it? Instead we have some half-arsed line about 'accidentally' crossing the maritime boundaries. So is it that the navy is ill equipped with satellite technology or are they just plain incompetent? It's pretty clear to me that Abbott will stop at nothing with his boat turning obsession, that includes upsetting our nearest neighbours and potentially igniting a political firestorm. It should come as no surprise that Indonesia's diplomat was recalled two months ago, and that the rhetoric from Jakarta has been scathing of the Abbott breast beating. With an Indonesian election imminent, brace yourself for some hardline nationalism when it comes to Indonesian sovereignty, and there won't be a calm and collected SBY defusing the tension.
I wonder how the rusted on LNP supporters would react if Indonesia strayed into Australian waters and dumped a boat load of asylum seekers on our doorstep? This issue works both ways, tough guy Abbott would be well advised to tone down the war rhetoric and return to the negotiating table. All the talk of a regional solution has been exposed as pure fiction.
bullus_hit said:
Not passing judgement one way or another bullus - just asking if this is so?
This Is Anfield said:
That's the official line, 'accidentally', but even this information was suppressed until the Indonesian media got wind of the story. The Abbott government also accused the Indonesian police of lying about asylum seekers being burned without any investigation, yet another piece of diplomatic incompetence.
With the phone hacking revelations, the incursions into Indonesian waters, the stonewalling of the Indonesian media and the serial discrediting of Indonesian authorities, the relationship is at it's lowest ebb since our foray into East Timor. It's a dangerous game of brinkmanship being played out and if it's not resolved soon, everyone stands to lose.
All footy lovers take note -
Labor's communications spokesman, Jason Clare, claimed Mr Abbott was laying the groundwork to cut back the ABC's $1 billion annual funding. The Australian has reported on Thursday that the government could axe the ABC's Australia Network Asian broadcasting service in the May budget.
The network provides television services across the Asia-Pacific region, but also is used as a vehicle for ''soft diplomacy' - building goodwill overseas through news and entertainment.
But it was reported that that cabinet ministers believed the ABC's coverage of Australia in the region was overly negative and failed to promote the nation as originally intended in the Australia Network's charter.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-defends-abc-after-tony-abbotts-attack-20140129-31n5z.html#ixzz2rq5VNYpN
Labor's communications spokesman, Jason Clare, claimed Mr Abbott was laying the groundwork to cut back the ABC's $1 billion annual funding. The Australian has reported on Thursday that the government could axe the ABC's Australia Network Asian broadcasting service in the May budget.
The network provides television services across the Asia-Pacific region, but also is used as a vehicle for ''soft diplomacy' - building goodwill overseas through news and entertainment.
But it was reported that that cabinet ministers believed the ABC's coverage of Australia in the region was overly negative and failed to promote the nation as originally intended in the Australia Network's charter.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-defends-abc-after-tony-abbotts-attack-20140129-31n5z.html#ixzz2rq5VNYpN
bullus_hit said:
Murdoch wants the ABC's Asia Pacific news and internet market share. He hasn't got enough money yet. And he backed the *smile* out of Abbott in the last election.
rosy23 said:Abbott suggests the ABC is working against Australia. I suggest Abbott is working against Australia.
Precisely, talking down Australia's economy when in opposition, badmouthing Australia on the international stage and attacking our public owned media. Two-face Tony has done nothing but dismantle everything & anything that doesn't accord to his extreme right-wing views. He's further right than Genghis Khan and is making John Howard look like Mother Teresa. Good luck Australia over the next couple of years, it will be a good lesson in how to divide and tear up a nation.
rosy23 said:
The beauty of that satire is none of it was made up, straight from the horses mouth. :hihi
As an aside, do the general public even care about Abbott's double standards on free speech? On one hand, he wants to change the law to have the shock jocks defame and racially vilify whoever they please, yet on the other he wants the public broadcaster reverting to nationalism and government friendly reporting. All this from a former journalist. I also note that there was little mention of the union corruption allegations, it seems mentioning that golden goose may have tampered with Tony's blatantly obvious mandate of cutting ABC funding.
bullus_hit said:
A lot of what he says could have come from the mouth of Cori Bernardi. Far from being the hick cousin Bernardi may well be the embodiment of the real Tony.
rosy23 said:
Thanks Rosy I had forgotten about these two. This type of thing is what we are missing though. Clarke and Dawe have loyal but small following. We need political satire on prime time poking fun every week using the actual statements and pointing out the absurdity and circular logic of most of our politicians and the media that reports it like it's news.
KnightersRevenge said:
Tony let's his basket case few mop up the headlines, it's testament of a man who is socially inept, a simpleton who desperately needs his goodies & baddies, and perhaps baddies & baddies if he's feeling a bit tongue tied.
bullus_hit said:
Tony (not necessarily the Libs) is gonna be one term and he knows it. Going pretty hard on some crazy stuff. Turnbull to lead the libs to the next election.