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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

leon

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That and punters growing up and stopping the relentless abuse of them would be the two best ways to improve umpiring in my opinion.
While I fully condemn any abuse of umpires and never engage in it, as distinct from being highly critical and skeptical of many particular rulings, we the fans have every right to dispute, protest and argue the decisions they make. After all, the AFL fans are major financial contributors to the codes' success.

While I am also fully aware of the running ability and fitness levels required to make it as an AFL umpire, they are now very well remunerated. But I'm not even sure that is allowed public knowledge these days. But surely such well-paid AFL employees (in these Covid times where many good people have lost their employment through no fault of their own) must be subject to review and evaluation. Especially when, similarly to the Umpiring Department, the AFL media are also relatively compliant and constrained - no media arm can risk losing affiliation or coverage rights. The AFL makes a powerful and vengeful enemy.

Is the AFL's heavy-handed shut-down of any avenues for umpire critical reviews, assessment, analysis in any public forum entirely guided by the desire to protect them from personal abuse and attacks, or a convenient spin mechanism to stifle any inspection?

Thus providing an almost impervious screen for the AFL to exercise whatever the agendas it may wish to pursue, because 'you cannot have a game without umpires' and 'if the public are allowed to dare criticise their rulings, no-one will be willing to train as an umpire.'

Obviously umpiring interpretations are a matter creating great concern; these can surely be aired and discussed/explained without launching into personal attacks. I think most fans are not into abuse, as distinct from a handful of 'wayward types'. In fact, this might create greater understanding, clarity and reduce the negativity. I remember years ago, SEN had a segment show one evening where an umpire fronted up and explained umpiring decisions and answered listeners' calls (may have been H. Kennedy). Razor Ray seems to do a little of this occasionally now? But there's nothing regular, organised or of substantial quality I can see.

I usually don't even bother with finding out their names. I just want a fair go for our victimised footy side (and all teams overall) and a transparent umpiring system. As it has been allowed to continue with this screening cloak (don't allow any serious spotlight to be shined on the UD!) during the SHocking era of rule changes and very dubious umpiring trends, the game is suffering IMV.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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That and punters growing up and stopping the relentless abuse of them would be the two best ways to improve umpiring in my opinion.
If I thought they could hear me, I'd go harder. In the scheme of things I'm just adding to a general din of disapproval.

Pretending there's no problem doesn't make it go away.
 
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AngryAnt

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For the record I boo almost all decisions that go against us at the game as well, especially if it seems too technical. Also scream "ball" with the best of them.

The Melbourne game when there was that free to Melbourne in front of goal from the Pickett high tackle, I was screaming and yelling. Only when I got home and saw the replay did I realise "ok yeah that was high".
 
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tigertim

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They did that with Leigh Fisher and he cops a hiding on here all the time. :rotfl2
Come in Richo! What about Paul Rebeschini (ex Frankston) and Andre Giafagna(ex Northern Blues), I thought you'd be all over this! :)
 
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ToraToraTora

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After 8 rounds, this is gotta be some sort of record. Of course we are stone motherless AGAIN with a MINUS FIFTY differential. MINUS FIFTY!
 

DavidSSS

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Because in contested marking situations when a defender punches the ball through for a point, its not a free kick. Never has been.

Fixed that for you ;) , in any case, what do the rules say and why don't they follow what the rules say? Not just in this instance either.

DS
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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And abusing people doesn't tend to improve their performance.

It's fine to go as hard as you like, as long as you realise you are contributing to lowering the standards of umpiring by turning people off doing it, which will then make you go harder, which will then make it worse.
As I said, they can't hear me (except for Peter Cameron once at Footscray who stopped play to scan the crowd for the source of the abuse. He was a hardarse who routinely returned abuse from players and it would've been water off a duck's back.) Umpires are like Pavlov's dogs, the MCG their laboratory. They need to be conditioned to react to the fans with the loudest voices, like the Perth subspecies.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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It's not the umpire in the middle of the ground, it's the 10 year old kid three rows back who hears the umpire called a *smile* cheating maggot and thinks I never want to do that job.

Or the one who hears it and then says the same thing to the 14 year old kid umpiring his game on Saturday morning which leads to him giving it up.

There's really no way to justify it, no matter how you try and spin it. Abusing anyone for doing their job is horribly anti-social behaviour and a sign of poor character.

I've seen you take enormous offence at your integrity being questioned in other threads, and they are just words on a screen. I can only imagine how you would handle someone calling you a *smile* cheat.
What can I say, bad umpiring brings out my worst. You pay your money at the gate and you get to have your say. It's football lore.

Never forget that Richmond once forfeited a grand final because they believed the appointed umpire was biased against them. A very principled stand IMO.
 
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eddazol

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Selwood has 15% of the cats frees won this year. He has 25 frees of 169.

The tigers only have won 129 free kicks.

End the farce.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Umpires' favourites since 1965 (minimum 200 decisions)

PlayerClubsForAgRatio
Narkle, PhilSt,WC198682.91
Merrett, ZachEs219762.88
Arthur, GrahamHa150582.59
Riewoldt, NickSt4131612.57
Brown, BenNM,Me184732.52
West, ScottWB5842402.43
Fowler, LaurieRi,Me6432652.43
Dal Santo, NickSt,NM3451432.41
Pendlebury, ScottCo4211752.41
Wanganeen, GavinEs,PA4631952.37
Macrae, JackWB2681142.35
Kellaway, AndrewRi213912.34
Sheehan, KevinGe2601132.30
Johnson, AlanMe2451072.29
Monfries, AngusEs,PA3311452.28
Skilton, BobSy3501542.27
Selwood, AdamWC3171422.23
Reid, Sam B.Sy141642.20
Murphy, MarcCa5012292.19
Stewart, CliffCa144662.18
Bowey, BrettSt142662.15
Kingsley, AdamPA168802.10
Wright, MatthewAd,Ca173832.08
Nankervis, Ian J.Ge10815252.06
Brown, BrianFi,Es175852.06
Barker, TrevorSt6723272.06
Mayne, ChrisFr,Co2261102.05
Hamilton, PaulEs160782.05
Gosper, GeoffEs2821382.04
Morris, RussellHa,St3721842.02
Selwood, JoelGe8194111.99
 
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gold1

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Umpires' favourites since 1965 (minimum 200 decisions)

PlayerClubsForAgRatio
Narkle, PhilSt,WC198682.91
Merrett, ZachEs219762.88
Arthur, GrahamHa150582.59
Riewoldt, NickSt4131612.57
Brown, BenNM,Me184732.52
West, ScottWB5842402.43
Fowler, LaurieRi,Me6432652.43
Dal Santo, NickSt,NM3451432.41
Pendlebury, ScottCo4211752.41
Wanganeen, GavinEs,PA4631952.37
Macrae, JackWB2681142.35
Kellaway, AndrewRi213912.34
Sheehan, KevinGe2601132.30
Johnson, AlanMe2451072.29
Monfries, AngusEs,PA3311452.28
Skilton, BobSy3501542.27
Selwood, AdamWC3171422.23
Reid, Sam B.Sy141642.20
Murphy, MarcCa5012292.19
Stewart, CliffCa144662.18
Bowey, BrettSt142662.15
Kingsley, AdamPA168802.10
Wright, MatthewAd,Ca173832.08
Nankervis, Ian J.Ge10815252.06
Brown, BrianFi,Es175852.06
Barker, TrevorSt6723272.06
Mayne, ChrisFr,Co2261102.05
Hamilton, PaulEs160782.05
Gosper, GeoffEs2821382.04
Morris, RussellHa,St3721842.02
Selwood, JoelGe8194111.99
Where is KB ??????????
 

Redford

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Not sure what you're getting at with that one Red?

The handball rule now is just you have to hold the ball in one hand and hit it with a closed fist with the other. Hard to tell but I think his fist is closed?
His fist is nowhere near it. And what fist are you talking about anyway ? He doesn’t even make one. Hitting motion ??? Again there isn’t one.

Thats a throw every day of the week.

 
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MD Jazz

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After 8 rounds, this is gotta be some sort of record. Of course we are stone motherless AGAIN with a MINUS FIFTY differential. MINUS FIFTY!
TBR will do a review and categorically tell us we should really be -80 if the umps did their job right and we should just accept it.
 
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taztiger4

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After 8 rounds, this is gotta be some sort of record. Of course we are stone motherless AGAIN with a MINUS FIFTY differential. MINUS FIFTY!
2017 we were - 48 after 8 rounds
2018 we were - 46 after 8 rounds
2019 we were - 14 after 8 rounds despite - 16 against the scum in Rd 2
2020 we were - 14 after 8 rounds
 
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MD Jazz

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Not sure what you're getting at with that one Red?

The handball rule now is just you have to hold the ball in one hand and hit it with a closed fist with the other. Hard to tell but I think his fist is closed?
Hold the ball with one hand. They don't hold the ball with one hand. They throw the ball with that hand and try and get a touch on it with their clenched fist. All the momentum is coming from the hand supposedly holding the ball. Both hands end up moving in the direction of the ball at the same rate. Its a throw. Like about 20 every game. Yes, we do them too, but nowhere near the likes of the dogs (Treloar the king) and the cats.

The commentators even use the word "shovel" - because that is exactly the motion, both hands shovelling the ball to a teammate.

Hold - def - grasp, carry, or support with one's hands.

Support with one and strike with the other. It's how you are taught as a junior.

Ridiculous what its become now.
 
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MD Jazz

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His fist is nowhere near it. And what fist are you talking about anyway ? He doesn’t even make one. Hitting motion ??? Again there isn’t one.

Thats a throw every day of the week.

Yeh, if you think that's OK its pointless continuing the discussion.
 
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MD Jazz

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It's not the umpire in the middle of the ground, it's the 10 year old kid three rows back who hears the umpire called a *smile* cheating maggot and thinks I never want to do that job.

Or the one who hears it and then says the same thing to the 14 year old kid umpiring his game on Saturday morning which leads to him giving it up.

There's really no way to justify it, no matter how you try and spin it. Abusing anyone for doing their job is horribly anti-social behaviour and a sign of poor character.

I've seen you take enormous offence at your integrity being questioned in other threads, and they are just words on a screen. I can only imagine how you would handle someone calling you a *smile* cheat.
There's always someone willing to do a job for $$. Why would anyone be a parking inspector? A speed camera operator? Umpires know what they are getting into, some thrive on the environment (Ray). When they are out on the field they are open to be judged for their performance. Personal abuse is not on but booing an umpire is a supporters feedback.

I don't think they deliberately cheat but I do think plenty are incompetent.
 
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