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Global Warming

Brodders17

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Mar 21, 2008
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Melbourne is about to complete a cold April, on the back of its cold March and cold February.

April avg: 19.5 (-1.6 on 30-year average)
March avg: 22.9 (-1.7)
February avg 24.4 (-2.5)

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Yep, the climate is certainly changing.
 

Coburgtiger

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Please tell me the threat of COVID-19 isn't being equated to the threat of climate change...?!

The threat of climate change is way way more significant, damaging and permanent. If longer term and less acute.
 
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DavidSSS

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Melbourne is about to complete a cold April, on the back of its cold March and cold February.

April avg: 19.5 (-1.6 on 30-year average)
March avg: 22.9 (-1.7)
February avg 24.4 (-2.5)

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Meanwhile October, December and January were above average while November was close to average.

This is why it is called climate change not weather change. A month here or there in one location does not make a trend, and you well know this.

Are you doubting the scientific analysis of climate change? But still believe the scientists on COVID?

One could do way more cherry picking and criticising models etc on the current pandemic (look, the new cases in the USA are down for the last 3 days, it's all a hoax, it didn't follow the model etc etc ad nauseum). But you would have to be brain dead to do that. We need to act on the best information and analysis we have in relation to COVID19. We need to do the same in relation to Climate Change.

DS
 

AngryAnt

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There is a fair amount of crap in the film most definitely.

It gets it's data on energy taken to produce renewable tech in terms of energy produced in terms of whole of product lifespan horribly wrong. No surprise, since it wants to make the point below.

Where it gets some stuff right (I've read, haven't watched it yet) is in terms of the fundamental incompatibility of an economic system predicated on theoretical unlimited natural resources and permanent growth, and a damaged/dead ecosystem. That's unsustainable.

It is amusing to see the RW/CC deniers champion this film since it basically calls for the abolition of capitalism/industrial society.
 

Brodders17

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It gets it's data on energy taken to produce renewable tech in terms of energy produced in terms of whole of product lifespan horribly wrong. No surprise, since it wants to make the point below.

Where it gets some stuff right (I've read, haven't watched it yet) is in terms of the fundamental incompatibility of an economic system predicated on theoretical unlimited natural resources and permanent growth, and a damaged/dead ecosystem. That's unsustainable.

It is amusing to see the RW/CC deniers champion this film since it basically calls for the abolition of capitalism/industrial society.
the RW/CC deniers have always blindly followed Michael Moore.
 

Giardiasis

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Apr 20, 2009
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It gets it's data on energy taken to produce renewable tech in terms of energy produced in terms of whole of product lifespan horribly wrong. No surprise, since it wants to make the point below.

Where it gets some stuff right (I've read, haven't watched it yet) is in terms of the fundamental incompatibility of an economic system predicated on theoretical unlimited natural resources and permanent growth, and a damaged/dead ecosystem. That's unsustainable.

It is amusing to see the RW/CC deniers champion this film since it basically calls for the abolition of capitalism/industrial society.
It does a good job of pointing out green energy is not really doing anything to help CC, and does a good job of taking down some snake oil salesman like Al Gore. It’s malthusian overpopulation argument has been debunked years ago as has it’s anti-capitalist message.
 

Brodders17

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Specify precisely all the arguments in the film that you think were accurate. We can then have hours of fun debunking them.
Im guessing all the arguments against clean energy were accurate, and all the arguments against capitalism were false. Simple really.
 
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AngryAnt

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Onus is on you to debunk if you want to. Feel free.

You said "it doesn't paint a rosy picture" but can't give us a single example of what that means.

If I was a cynic I'd be tempted to think you haven't watched the film yourself.
 

Giardiasis

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You said "it doesn't paint a rosy picture" but can't give us a single example of what that means.

If I was a cynic I'd be tempted to think you haven't watched the film yourself.
- It looks at the fossil fuel usage required to create "clean" energy producing assets
- It looks at the environmental damage caused by "clean" energy such as land clearing
- It unmasks many a climate change crusader as climate change charlatans and shows that things like Earth Day are pure virtual signalling
- Shows that a lot of organisations that are claiming to be renewable are just burning wood and claiming it as a renewable source of energy
- Really makes clear the firming requirement that is required to back intermittent generation
- Low production life of solar and wind assets