Coronavirus

[Tigers of Old]

Changed her tune in what way? Did she see a poll or something? That seems to be the only thing that motivates the Libs into action these days.

Was far less gung ho.
She was more focused on 80% than 70% & said even then said they'd have to be vigilant. Also said new modelling is being done now..
Makes me wonder if she's seen the updated Doherty report..

 

[jb03]

This exactly. But let’s also remember Gladys has completely disregarded the original Doherty modelling when announcing they are opening up at 70%. And when Andrews (rightly) doesn’t follow suit, the MSM will lose their sh!t.

You can't really "disregard the Doherty modelling" as there are no recommendations in it. It just tries to predict the future.

 

[Rancey18]

Was far less gung ho.
She was more focused on 80% than 70% & said even then said they'd have to be vigilant. Also said new modelling is being done now..
Makes me wonder if she's seen the updated Doherty report..

Interesting...

 

[22nd Man]

Way, Way too late but finally a crackdown on the construction industry but one has to ask what have the surveillance units of this industry been doing for the last 18 months? bowing to Unions is my guess

Victorian construction site blitz, warning on ‘tea room danger’

The construction industry faces a compliance blitz as authorities warn break rooms could be the most dangerous workplace setting.

www.theage.com.au

I wrote to my local ALP MLA three weeks ago on this. Glad the message finally has percolated up to the decision makers. Or maybe it didn't.

 

[22nd Man]

Agree with Andrews that MCG vax site is a gimmick. Got to take the vax to the people not the other way. The MCG isn't Mecca to every group in the community.

in the next sentence Dan said he couldn't staff it ... pretty much admitting that the game is now about logistics not supply.

 

[MD Jazz]

we might overtake NSW prior to October 18, but once they open, daily cases will surge into the tens of thousands.


Then we have the hardest decision of them all... how many deaths is acceptable? Because even if we open up at 80%, there will be thousands of deaths. The UK averaging over 110 deaths per day atm (based in their 7 day average). I am reading about horror stories going on in NSW hospitals atm that are generally being ignored by the MSM. How will our hospital system cope?

We effectively allow preventable deaths every day without discussion on what a life is worth. Ultimately, most decisions have a cost and end up being based on the greater good - you just hope you're part of the greater good.

 

[MD Jazz]

I find it amazing someone writes an email stating they are breaking the law deliberately to a bunch of parents. And the consequence is that he gets asked to comply with the rules. How this is any different to organising a protest in the CBD I don’t know. It’s actually worse because schools are indoors.

What it screams for us a clear pathway out.

Sobering if it has spread that easily/rapidly in a school - not much hope for a return to the classroom any time soon.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

A primary school in Labor heartland in North Fitzroy has been apparently breaching regulations by inviting students to attend in spite of the lockdown. It is now the source of a substantial COVID outbreak; at least 30 cases.

I wonder if there will be punitive repercussions for the school and the parents who continued to send students?

You can't have people in positions of responsibility applying their own rules. That guy has no control over how the virus will affect the kids or their families.

Plenty of comments in support under the article though. We're no smarter than any other country that's felt the full brunt.

 

[MD Jazz]

If the Feds had provided some leadership the states wouldn't have taken the lead. It was the lack of leadership from the Federal government which led to the states going rogue.

A bit of a pipedream when you have different parties at the State and Federal level. And state borders that allow exclusion. Perhaps if Scomo was a strong leader things would be different. Doubt we would be in a much different spot if Albanese were in charge. Perhaps better progressed on a vaccination level but doubt it.

 

[Ian4]

We effectively allow preventable deaths every day without discussion on what a life is worth. Ultimately, most decisions have a cost and end up being based on the greater good - you just hope you're part of the greater good.

118 Australians die per day from heart disease. 136 from cancer. Does this make say, 125 COVID deaths per day acceptable? And how do we resource this?

 

[MD Jazz]

118 Australians die per day from heart disease. 136 from cancer. Does this make say, 125 COVID deaths per day acceptable? And how do we resource this?

Not sure. But needs to be discussed.

How many fully vaxed are dying in Israel/UK?

UK had 58 deaths yesterday so not sure where you get 125 a day from?

 

[RoarEmotion]

118 Australians die per day from heart disease. 136 from cancer. Does this make say, 125 COVID deaths per day acceptable? And how do we resource this?

At its heart there is a difficult calculus. Do you kill 1 person to save 100? Do you (hypothetically) cut the arms off a hundred people to save 1 life. Do millions of students school from home with many getting depressed to save 20 lives?

I’ve seen numbers of around 100k/life year when we discuss experimental drug costs and what does or doesn’t make the cut in Australia. If you (are born) and live in India then don’t expect much at all.

The problem is we can never see both sides of the scale on these decisions so in the end it becomes a judgement call on how much pain society bears from lockdowns vs deaths/illness. Resources aren’t infinite.

Personally i think if we got the vax rollout a lot quicker we had the right approach. Our collective leadership lacked the spine to put in some sticks/intelligence to not undermine it to get much faster uptake of AZ and/or the foresight/competency to get more palatable vaccines given the undermining.

 

[mrposhman]

118 Australians die per day from heart disease. 136 from cancer. Does this make say, 125 COVID deaths per day acceptable? And how do we resource this?

By using figures like 125 you spread false impressions of what a future living with Covid will be like.

Take a look at REAL LIFE examples rather than made up ones, like the UK or Canada and then factor the population difference, you get no where near 125 deaths per day. By pushing this (and you've pushed that number before) you are fear mongering.

 

[Al Bundy]

Changed her tune in what way? Did she see a poll or something? That seems to be the only thing that motivates the Libs into action these days.

And what labor dont?
Come on . They all do it. Not that i care too much for her either tbh.
It was mentioned Dan's main reason it was found to do all those daily press conferences was he spent 2 or 3 million dollars to monitor polls to save his job.

 

[Mr T.]

It’s awful amount of money to push us to use apps to track us and to give us freedom… how good was the Covid Safe app (waste of money).

Hopefully they don’t use the same outsourced people that put together the Myki system.

How will this system integrate with international airports and authorities, still a lot of grey area… ‘I’m sorry we can scan your QR code’, or ‘The vaccine you have is not recognised, ie AZ’.

Opening up international travel in November seems rushed at this stage.

Digital border pass first step to allow vaccinated Australians to come and go

The Digital Passenger Declaration will collect personal information including vaccination status before boarding and provide the authority for vaccinated Australians to travel.

www.smh.com.au

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

118 Australians die per day from heart disease. 136 from cancer. Does this make say, 125 COVID deaths per day acceptable? And how do we resource this?

Apples and oranges. One group already has serious disease, perhaps self-inflicted to some degree over a long period. The other much larger group is people who could become sick and die at random.

A Covid death in a healthy person carries greater gravitas IMO.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Apples and oranges. One group already has serious disease, perhaps self-inflicted to some degree over a long period. The other much larger group is people who could become sick and die at random.

A Covid death in a healthy person carries greater gravitas IMO.

A covid death can't happen in a healthy person.

It happens in a person sick with Covid.

Just like heart disease or cancer only kill people who have heart disease or cancer.

 

[Greenie]

Not sure. But needs to be discussed.

How many fully vaxed are dying in Israel/UK?

UK had 58 deaths yesterday so not sure where you get 125 a day from?

Coronavirus.data.gov.uk is showing 56 UK Deaths yesterday within 28 days of positive test. 769 deaths in the past week with COVID-19 on the Death Certificate. I’ve been reading of around 100 per day for a few weeks which equates to around 40 per day in Australia. 12,000 per year. Remember 600-800 from flu in a normal year with no social distancing etc.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

A covid death can't happen in a healthy person.

It happens in a person sick with Covid.

Just like heart disease or cancer only kill people who have heart disease or cancer.

Bit nitpicky. Like saying cigarettes can't harm you, only cancer.

 

[Brodders17]

Bit nitpicky. Like saying cigarettes can't harm you, only cancer.

my mum was health until she got cancer, she died within a few months. not self inflicted in any way.
im not sure you are going to win an argument by suggesting that a death from cancer is any different from a death from covid.