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Carltony

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More than 9 out of 10 Australians have now had at least their first COVID vaccination jab.

I'm genuinely intrigued as to how much energy the 1 in 10 have left to argue that their individual rights trump those of the broader community. It must be exhausting continuing to search the internet looking for fringe ideas that support a discredited dogma.

As for those invoking democracy ... guess who wins in a 90% vs 10% vote?
 
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TigerMasochist

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What, like they do with smokers and people that want to drive while drunk?
Pretty sure people are still permitted to smoke if they want to and as long as they don't smoke on top of other people, they're still permitted to go out to enjoy restaurants, clubs n theaters etc. Pretty sure most employers even set up dedicated smoking areas for them as well.

What's the old standard for drink driving again? Drink n drive, make it home alive you're a bloody legend. There's drunk n drugged drivers roaming around the streets every single day of the year, they cause an accident or get caught by the Plod. They get penalised, but they don't get penalised just because someone thinks they might somehow one day actually be a drink driver.
 

King Kong

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Something wrong with democracy when the Govt forces the rest of society to treat you like a leper because you don't want to get vaccinated.
Unfortunately democracy doesn't account for a selfish and stupid minority. Get vacced or risk a horrible, paniful and lonely death. Your choice
 
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Why?
He's in the extreme low risk category for being seriously affected by getting covid and it's already been well proven that vaccinated people can still catch covid and also still pass it on to others. So why should he or anyone else be forced to have the jab, or kicked to the outskirts of society?
I’m probably in a low risk category too. Didn’t stop me getting the vaccine.
We all know that vaccinated people can still pass it on or catch it but it mitigates the risk to others, particularly the vulnerable and helps to reduce the burden on the health system.
I was able to help contribute to this.
Maybe Liam needs to speak with every parent that battled through home schooling, every business owner that didn’t know where the next dollar was coming from, every health care worker dealing with Covid patients on a daily basis.
Society is required to do a 100 things a day by the Govt. 37mil doses so far in Aus.
Get with the program and move on with life.
 
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King Kong

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Hundreds of other diseases n viruses too. Just think of how well the global population could have been kept under manageable control if some bunch of smart arse scientists hadn't invented all these different ways of keeping everyone alive.
Still shouldn't give Govt's or anyone else the right to force perfectly fit n healthy people to the outcast fringe of society though.
I consider an outcast of society a good outcome for someone putting my life at risk because they are selfish and ignorant. Any decent sized islands around the place we can ship them all off to?
 
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deedee

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Something wrong with democracy when the Govt forces the rest of society to treat you like a leper because you don't want to get vaccinated.
What you mean that small 6.5% that think freedom does not come with responsability. society is nothing more than a group of people agreeing to follow a set of rules, those rules impose freedoms and restrictions/responsibility, you can debate, change the rules but having a small minority rebelling against those rules is not freedom, it is the first step of how all societies threw out history have failed.
 
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TigerMasochist

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. Your choice
Not according to the Govt.

I consider an outcast of society a good outcome for someone putting my life at risk because they are selfish and ignorant.
So how does a perfectly fit n healthy person who doesn't have the virus and more than likely won't even come into contact with you, put your life at risk?

If you go outside your front door, then every vehicle on the road or in the air that comes anywhere near your vicinity puts your life at risk. Every person who walks past you could potentially put your life at risk.
 

TigerMasochist

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What you mean that small 6.5% that think freedom does not come with responsability. society is nothing more than a group of people agreeing to follow a set of rules, those rules impose freedoms and restrictions/responsibility, you can debate, change the rules but having a small minority rebelling against those rules is not freedom, it is the first step of how all societies threw out history have failed.
Wonder what the actual vaxx uptake would be if the Govt wasn't forcing people to be vaccinated or get kicked out of society?? The risk of serious illness falls on the unvaccinated, far as I'm concerned that's their choice n their risk.

Company I work for has operated right through the pandemic with not a single case of the virus here in Vic just by following the simple n basic covid rules of distancing, sanitising n masks. Company has now been forced by Govt regulations to stand down three possibly four employees because they wouldn't get vaxxed. None would be considered in the high risk category, none have the virus, but the law says they can *smile* off regardless. Not just me, but i reckon the law is a wrong one.
 
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tigermouseau

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“Carlton will work with the AFL regarding options for filling Jones' spot on the playing list for the 2022 season.”

The only way carltank will be able to replace Jones is through the draft. Surely they will not be afforded any favours to replace outside the normal processes in place.
I mean, did Richmond get any favours from the afl when Rance retired after the draft and trade periods?
 
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Wonder what the actual vaxx uptake would be if the Govt wasn't forcing people to be vaccinated or get kicked out of society?? The risk of serious illness falls on the unvaccinated, far as I'm concerned that's their choice n their risk.

Company I work for has operated right through the pandemic with not a single case of the virus here in Vic just by following the simple n basic covid rules of distancing, sanitising n masks. Company has now been forced by Govt regulations to stand down three possibly four employees because they wouldn't get vaxxed. None would be considered in the high risk category, none have the virus, but the law says they can *smile* off regardless. Not just me, but i reckon the law is a wrong one.
Ok mate great to have a healthy discussion.
. My experience is a bit different. The vac was not popular here till many died of Covit esp May,June ,July .. it was ppl we knew passing suddenly mothers, fathers, grandparents , friends it was in our face, ppl we knew .
Guys I lost 5 ppl I knew in 3 weeks in July . Yep Two of those I saw and spoke to the week before they died and they were fine.. week later gone ..
Also many others I know got the virus. Look most are fine now which is great .. but all said it was a bad experience for them and one thing they all had in common as they told me that it definitely was more full-on than flu .
About 5 ot 6 that got it still have not got 100 percent over it and are not doing that great . 3 have lost their sense of smell. So ppl are happy to take the Vac now as we have seen the alternative and its not pretty . I guess we all have choices .
 
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tigermike

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Wonder what the actual vaxx uptake would be if the Govt wasn't forcing people to be vaccinated or get kicked out of society?? The risk of serious illness falls on the unvaccinated, far as I'm concerned that's their choice n their risk.

Company I work for has operated right through the pandemic with not a single case of the virus here in Vic just by following the simple n basic covid rules of distancing, sanitising n masks. Company has now been forced by Govt regulations to stand down three possibly four employees because they wouldn't get vaxxed. None would be considered in the high risk category, none have the virus, but the law says they can *smile* off regardless. Not just me, but i reckon the law is a wrong one.
If people weren't forced then you know the uptake would be much lower because of the selfish arguments that you have put up and the mis-information given out in social media. You see human nature is to be lazy, look after ourselves and not bother about the needs or rights of other people we live with on this planet. Let's not worry about whether we pass on a dangerous virus, not to worry about hospitals being overun, nurses and other medical staff getting exhausted working double and triple shifts, etc. etc. Because you see the attitude is...I'm right jack, my workplace doesn't have Covid, no one will get it or pass it on, I won't get it or pass it on to people who might just die or have long-term poor health because of the virus, nah....none of that will happen....you hope.
That's exactly why Gov'ts have to force people to get it, to protect all of us from serious illness and possibly death. Haven't you seen how the infection numbers have been reducing? How the hospitalization no's and ICU no's have been reducing in all states as the vaccination percentages increase? Everyone can see that vaccination is doing the job we were told it would do...reduce the chances of getting Covid (not totally), reduce the chances of passing it on, reduce the no's of hospitalisations and reduce the chances of dying with Covid (depending on other factors as well of course).
The Gov't has the right to force us to be vaccinated for the greater good of the whole community and we should pull our weight and SUPPORT THE TEAM EFFORT of getting vaccinated just as players support their team mates in a football team. If the coach wants you to go in harder but you don't feel like it because you're an individual and you should have the freedom to make that choice yourself, then how will that stance help the team to win? The decision not to get vaccinated does not just affect that person so it's not a personal freedom decision, it has potential ramifications for the health of the wider community. A person who comes to work drunk or drugged will be sent home because they are a danger to others as well as themselves. It is a condition of their employment that they come to work sober, likewise they should be vaccinated to protect themselves and others.
For anyone vaccine hesitant go to the TGA website and read the weekly reports about safety and why these vaccines are working.
 
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Even that's extreme. There were about 11,000 cases combined and about 1,700 deaths in total.

End in areas where SARS & MERS were in the community, there were definitely lockdowns.
Thanks for correcting. Just couldn't let the 7 million # fly. Was trying to find #'s with a very spotty internet.
 

eZyT

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“Carlton will work with the AFL regarding options for filling Jones' spot on the playing list for the 2022 season.”

The only way carltank will be able to replace Jones is through the draft. Surely they will not be afforded any favours to replace outside the normal processes in place.
I mean, did Richmond get any favours from the afl when Rance retired after the draft and trade periods?

this.

and Rance went early, for an equally distorted matter of principle,

and left us a man down and a full cap for 2020, didnt he?
 
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HR

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Raging against the machine can be an honourable position at times.
Unless you have a medical reason to not receive the vaccine, raging against this community driven need to vaccinate is a purely personal approach to life.
Choose Vaccination and move on.
It's simple.
 
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tigertim

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“Carlton will work with the AFL regarding options for filling Jones' spot on the playing list for the 2022 season.”

The only way carltank will be able to replace Jones is through the draft. Surely they will not be afforded any favours to replace outside the normal processes in place.
I mean, did Richmond get any favours from the afl when Rance retired after the draft and trade periods?
Yeah, it’s an odd comment. We have the ND, PSD, rookie drafts to come (as well as the current DFA and the upcoming SSP options) but they “will work with the AFL regarding options for filling Jones spot on the playing list”?