Comrade McGowan also doesn't care about The Ashes. Might as well move the 5th test to Tassie if this prick doesn't wake up by mid Jan.
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Odds-on a day-nighter in Melbourne. Big crowds.
How's that disgraceful pitch in India, ball running along the ground. I don't care how rich they are, if you keep producing hometown tracks like that you are a pissant nation. Like England.
How's that disgraceful pitch in India, ball running along the ground. I don't care how rich they are, if you keep producing hometown tracks like that you are a pissant nation. Like England.
Would love a day night test at the MCG. CA would be made not to make it happen.
Been thinking for a while what to post about the spineless disgrace that are CA, in particular Nick Fuckley. Mike Atherton puts Leysy's thoughts better than he could:
www.thetimes.co.uk
“Whilst I cannot speak about the original decision-making in 2018, what I can say is that faced with the same circumstances and with the benefit of all the relevant information, Cricket Australia would not make the same decision today.
“I acknowledge that the decision sent the wrong message to the sport, to the community and to Tim that this kind of behaviour is acceptable and without serious consequences. The role of the Australia cricket captain must be held to the highest possible standards.”
If he had tried harder, Richard Freudenstein, the chairman of Cricket Australia (CA), could not have manoeuvred his organisation into a more tortured position. The explanation of a change of heart around Tim Paine’s suitability as captain, after the revelation of explicit messages and images sent to a former employee of Cricket Tasmania four years earlier, was not designed to aggravate, but that is what it did.
Paine had been due to take charge of Australia for his second Ashes series as captain before his resignation
MIKE EGERTON/PA WIRE
It aggravated David Peever, the former chairman of CA. Since his departure, Peever has decided on a policy of dignified silence, but the statement was a provocation too far. Peever said the criticism of the previous administration was unwarranted, that Paine had been unfairly abandoned by CA and the decision to encourage him to resign was knee-jerk.
It aggravated David Warner’s wife, Candice, as well, who called out the implied double standards between those expected of the captain compared to other players. “They are basically saying it’s not OK for a captain to send these messages, but it’s OK for a player. As a wife of an Australian player, that is slightly concerning, and it does make me worry,” she said.
Just how isolated the Paine family had become was intuited from a statement by his agent, James Henderson, which read: “Confirming that Tim Paine is stepping away from cricket for an indefinite mental health break. We are extremely concerned for his and [his wife] Bonnie’s well-being and make no further comment at this time.” It chimed with comments from Cricket Tasmania that suggested deep unease with the way CA had cut their captain adrift.
What did the public at large think of all this? That can be difficult to gauge, but my instinct is that a majority would feel that what Paine did was wrong, but that, having been cleared in two separate internal code of conduct inquiries, with which he co-operated fully, and given that the exchange was described as “private and consensual” at the time, he deserved a little more support from his employer once the story became public.
The broader question here may be why governing bodies find it hard right now to strike the right note in their decision-making and public statements. My guess is that, corporate interests to the fore, they are constantly fearful of a backlash, but that they misunderstand general sentiment. They think they know what the public think, but the very nature of public discourse creates an illusion.
Public debate in general, and in cricket especially, has become increasingly toxic. Opinion-makers in the media tend towards definitive, confident positions. No editor encourages prevarication. Social media amplifies the harshest, most extreme and unsympathetic views. The consequence is a polarisation of debate, with the hard right and illiberal left shouting at each other across a divide occupied by what could be called the silent majority.
The majority are more silent precisely because they recognise complexity and are often uncertain in their convictions. They accept that life is messy and boundaries can be blurred. They sense that the road to “zero tolerance” is chilling and likely to lead to greater division. Maybe WB Yeats’s moment is upon us, where “the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity”.
Paine stood down as captain last month after explicit text messages he sent to a former Cricket Tasmania colleague were revealed
EPA/ETHAN JAMES
In the pages of this newspaper recently, the former prime minister Tony Blair urged his party to this centre ground, embracing “liberal, tolerant but common-sensical positions on the ‘culture’ issues but emphatically rejecting the extremes”. Barack Obama, too, has cautioned against the increasingly prevalent call-out culture. “This idea of purity, that you’re never compromised . . . you should get over that quickly. The world is messy; there are ambiguities,” the former US president warned two years ago. Wise words.
As for Freudenstein’s statement, an alternative was put forward by Gideon Haigh recently in conversation with the cricket correspondent of The Australian newspaper, Peter Lalor. With the Ashes in mind, their cricket podcast, Cricket, Et Cetera, is well worth a listen and while they were waiting to record a recent episode, Haigh doodled away and came up with what he imagined he might say in Freudenstein’s position:
“Tim Paine did something stupid in 2017 of which he is rightly ashamed. It need not be said that CA does not condone it: that is obvious. We deplore it. It should not be minimised or trivialised. However, at the end of a thorough integrity process it was found that no misconduct had occurred by our regulations at the time. The board deliberated on the matter and decided on balance that no further action was necessary.
“In hindsight, we may have been wrong in this. We recognise that attitudes have changed, that there is greater sensitivity around interpersonal relationships in the workplace, aggravated by a number of high-profile cases that have left no institution untouched. But, given that, we cannot in conscience try someone twice for the same offence merely out of squeamishness at our corporate embarrassment.
“Since 2017, our players have received extensive education in this area; they understand the expectations and risks far better. Tim took full ownership of his behaviour and has been an exemplary captain and we think the public humiliation he and his blameless wife have endured is sufficient punishment for the infraction. We don’t pretend to be always right in everything we do but we always try to act in good faith and fairness to all and we are dedicated to learning from our mistakes.”
In this alternative universe, one imagines Paine could still be captain, his family less anguished, the general public more comfortable with what transpired and Cricket Australia better thought of. A statement that is humane, wise and recognises, as the silent majority does, that we all stumble from time to time.
Cricket Australia’s toxic zero tolerance leaves no room for messy human ambiguity
“Whilst I cannot speak about the original decision-making in 2018, what I can say is that faced with the same circumstances and with the benefit of all the rele
www.thetimes.co.uk
“Whilst I cannot speak about the original decision-making in 2018, what I can say is that faced with the same circumstances and with the benefit of all the relevant information, Cricket Australia would not make the same decision today.
“I acknowledge that the decision sent the wrong message to the sport, to the community and to Tim that this kind of behaviour is acceptable and without serious consequences. The role of the Australia cricket captain must be held to the highest possible standards.”
If he had tried harder, Richard Freudenstein, the chairman of Cricket Australia (CA), could not have manoeuvred his organisation into a more tortured position. The explanation of a change of heart around Tim Paine’s suitability as captain, after the revelation of explicit messages and images sent to a former employee of Cricket Tasmania four years earlier, was not designed to aggravate, but that is what it did.
Paine had been due to take charge of Australia for his second Ashes series as captain before his resignation
MIKE EGERTON/PA WIRE
It aggravated David Peever, the former chairman of CA. Since his departure, Peever has decided on a policy of dignified silence, but the statement was a provocation too far. Peever said the criticism of the previous administration was unwarranted, that Paine had been unfairly abandoned by CA and the decision to encourage him to resign was knee-jerk.
It aggravated David Warner’s wife, Candice, as well, who called out the implied double standards between those expected of the captain compared to other players. “They are basically saying it’s not OK for a captain to send these messages, but it’s OK for a player. As a wife of an Australian player, that is slightly concerning, and it does make me worry,” she said.
Just how isolated the Paine family had become was intuited from a statement by his agent, James Henderson, which read: “Confirming that Tim Paine is stepping away from cricket for an indefinite mental health break. We are extremely concerned for his and [his wife] Bonnie’s well-being and make no further comment at this time.” It chimed with comments from Cricket Tasmania that suggested deep unease with the way CA had cut their captain adrift.
What did the public at large think of all this? That can be difficult to gauge, but my instinct is that a majority would feel that what Paine did was wrong, but that, having been cleared in two separate internal code of conduct inquiries, with which he co-operated fully, and given that the exchange was described as “private and consensual” at the time, he deserved a little more support from his employer once the story became public.
The broader question here may be why governing bodies find it hard right now to strike the right note in their decision-making and public statements. My guess is that, corporate interests to the fore, they are constantly fearful of a backlash, but that they misunderstand general sentiment. They think they know what the public think, but the very nature of public discourse creates an illusion.
Public debate in general, and in cricket especially, has become increasingly toxic. Opinion-makers in the media tend towards definitive, confident positions. No editor encourages prevarication. Social media amplifies the harshest, most extreme and unsympathetic views. The consequence is a polarisation of debate, with the hard right and illiberal left shouting at each other across a divide occupied by what could be called the silent majority.
The majority are more silent precisely because they recognise complexity and are often uncertain in their convictions. They accept that life is messy and boundaries can be blurred. They sense that the road to “zero tolerance” is chilling and likely to lead to greater division. Maybe WB Yeats’s moment is upon us, where “the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity”.
Paine stood down as captain last month after explicit text messages he sent to a former Cricket Tasmania colleague were revealed
EPA/ETHAN JAMES
In the pages of this newspaper recently, the former prime minister Tony Blair urged his party to this centre ground, embracing “liberal, tolerant but common-sensical positions on the ‘culture’ issues but emphatically rejecting the extremes”. Barack Obama, too, has cautioned against the increasingly prevalent call-out culture. “This idea of purity, that you’re never compromised . . . you should get over that quickly. The world is messy; there are ambiguities,” the former US president warned two years ago. Wise words.
As for Freudenstein’s statement, an alternative was put forward by Gideon Haigh recently in conversation with the cricket correspondent of The Australian newspaper, Peter Lalor. With the Ashes in mind, their cricket podcast, Cricket, Et Cetera, is well worth a listen and while they were waiting to record a recent episode, Haigh doodled away and came up with what he imagined he might say in Freudenstein’s position:
“Tim Paine did something stupid in 2017 of which he is rightly ashamed. It need not be said that CA does not condone it: that is obvious. We deplore it. It should not be minimised or trivialised. However, at the end of a thorough integrity process it was found that no misconduct had occurred by our regulations at the time. The board deliberated on the matter and decided on balance that no further action was necessary.
“In hindsight, we may have been wrong in this. We recognise that attitudes have changed, that there is greater sensitivity around interpersonal relationships in the workplace, aggravated by a number of high-profile cases that have left no institution untouched. But, given that, we cannot in conscience try someone twice for the same offence merely out of squeamishness at our corporate embarrassment.
“Since 2017, our players have received extensive education in this area; they understand the expectations and risks far better. Tim took full ownership of his behaviour and has been an exemplary captain and we think the public humiliation he and his blameless wife have endured is sufficient punishment for the infraction. We don’t pretend to be always right in everything we do but we always try to act in good faith and fairness to all and we are dedicated to learning from our mistakes.”
In this alternative universe, one imagines Paine could still be captain, his family less anguished, the general public more comfortable with what transpired and Cricket Australia better thought of. A statement that is humane, wise and recognises, as the silent majority does, that we all stumble from time to time.
Of course. Let's give Victoria a second Test before one of our first class cricket states Tasmania get's one.
A very AFL thing to do!!!!
I agree the test should go to Tassie, or Canberra, but 1 article suggested a 2nd Melb test would raise an extra $14m (or thereabouts)over a Tassie test. that is a lot of cash.
Heh heh. I have made this point before but the biggest advocates for a Tassie team in the AFL are expats who long ago abandoned their home state. And i doubt would ever return.
Ben Horne reporting that the first test line up will be Harris, Warner, Smith, Labuschagne, Head, Green Carey, Cummins, Starc, Hazelwood and Lyon. Richardson and Khawaja to miss out.
He also surprisingly says that the 5th test is “likely” to in Hobart as a day/nighter.
He also surprisingly says that the 5th test is “likely” to in Hobart as a day/nighter.
I reckon we are a decent chance to get rolled. There is a brittleness about that batting line up and Starc has been bowling pies for a while now.
We are just trying to do the right thing by the mainland and imparting some good looks, wit, charm and sporting prowess into the gene pool.
And good thing for our football club we do come over or we'd have been *smile* trying to kick a goal for the last 40 years.
Yeah. Agree. Thank *** for Ben Harrison and Plapp.
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I'll be sure to thank any tasmanians i see who are doing those things.
why are you here though?
NZ? Test champions! Should have been 1 day champs. Pretty handy in the 20/20 rubbish. I reckon Tas would be fairly happy to be compared with them.
Vic living in Tas for 25 years... (leaving myself open here...) At least I don't live north of the Murray!
