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Pick 53: Jack Graham

TigerMasochist

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I hope we keep him, but I do think he is a bit more banged up than most 24yo's
Jacky boy was more banged up than most 24 year olds when he was 18. Has copped more than his fair share of injuries.
 
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TOT70

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Not sure why, but I don't think he's ever been used as a pure inside ball hunting mid. Usually plays a more defensive pressure mid harassing the oppo midfielders.
When Graham broke into the team in 2017, it was on the back of 5 or 6 games in the VFL. He was injured upon arrival at the club and played his first VFL game mid-season. He immediately racked up 30+ touches a game in the VFL. He was then used as a role player in his AFL games. Tackling, pressure, two-way running, defensive wingman, high half forward, link man, etc etc.

He has never been allowed to play his natural game, which, in all likelihood, is accumulating possessions. I have no doubt that is what he would be at another club. Richmond don’t really rate the sideways game much.
 
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The Mole

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I love Jack Graham but he is now becoming marginal in the 22. He is tradeable and has currency. To get something you have to give something.
 
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Scoop

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T71 has said that Graham is highly valued by tigers and won't be going anywhere, remember he's a 24 yo mid who is about to enter his prime years.
Part-time mid. Numbers show it. Gets credit for playing with some horrible injuries and has done some heroic things but you have to aks how much improvement has he got left in him? Not much is my guess. Could Jack Ross do everything he does with ball in hand? Defintely. Defensively is the loss and us nuffies can't go the try picture of what he does without knowing the gameplan.

But the body has taken a battering, you would be trading him at a high. If we move him, I understand. If he stays, that's fine as well.
 
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TigerForce

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T71 has said that Graham is highly valued by tigers and won't be going anywhere, remember he's a 24 yo mid who is about to enter his prime years.
Just heard Jack R speak strongly that it would be terrible if he left us and has huge doubt this would happen.
 
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kiwitiger

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The emergence of Ross as a more polished player this season probably hasnt helped his cause either ,

they have often been described here as being very similar types .
 
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Is he definitely a failed mid? They also butchered Brodie's development, Bowes is a pretty good kick from memory, a little bit one paced but so is Taranto.
His kicking is not bad buti never thought he was damaging by foot and by 25 years of age usually get a good indication of his ability and value. Will Brodie could always accumulate ball unlike Bowes and Brodie only played 25 games in 5 years where Bowes was played in over 70 games and was given ample chances and currently has 83 games

Taranto can accumulate 30 touches a game and be damaging,

Would anybody actually be interested in Bowes if not the pick #7 coming with him ?
Is that worth $800k x 2 years ?
What goes back ?

For North , Hawks , Bombers probably a good salary dump but for Richmond unless we can off load
Castagna & Soldo i wouldnt be interested
 
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bullus_hit

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His kicking is not bad buti never thought he was damaging by foot and by 25 years of age usually get a good indication of his ability and value. Will Brodie could always accumulate ball unlike Bowes and Brodie only played 25 games in 5 years where Bowes was played in over 70 games and was given ample chances and currently has 83 games

Taranto can accumulate 30 touches a game and be damaging,

Would anybody actually be interested in Bowes if not the pick #7 coming with him ?
Is that worth $800k x 2 years ?
What goes back ?

For North , Hawks , Bombers probably a good salary dump but for Richmond unless we can off load
Castagna & Soldo i wouldnt be interested
Bowes is steak knives, a new paradigm with these salary cap dumps, if he bombs, he bombs, not much collateral damage apart from cap space. Pick 7 will be gold this year, it's a free kick for Clarke if he can wrangle a deal. Maybe we can't do it but if I'm Bowes I would want Richmond.
 
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turk-d-tiger

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Bowes is steak knives, a new paradigm with these salary cap dumps, if he bombs, he bombs, not much collateral damage apart from cap space. Pick 7 will be gold this year, it's a free kick for Clarke if he can wrangle a deal. Maybe we can't do it but if I'm Bowes I would want Richmond.
I get that but a $1.6 million hit to the cap is huge unless we can off load the equivalent value of players we dont need
Castagna - $350-$375k
Soldo - same value

$700k-$750k off
Bowes $800k in
That i would be ok with

But it wont be a straight out pick #7 , They will want something decent going back
 

Aegean Tiger

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Has JG ever played as a primary midfielder & had success AT?
That to me is the biggest question, whether he can make that transition to a starting midfielder & win his own footy.
Been very good as a role player in the midfield but I think that too is still largely unproven.
Reckon he deserves the opportunity ToO.
 
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Aegean Tiger

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Bowes is steak knives, a new paradigm with these salary cap dumps, if he bombs, he bombs, not much collateral damage apart from cap space. Pick 7 will be gold this year, it's a free kick for Clarke if he can wrangle a deal. Maybe we can't do it but if I'm Bowes I would want Richmond.
Dangerous. Would upset the player payment apple cart at the club.
 
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123cups

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Edit: Hopefully this is merely media speculation
 
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Jonesracing82

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Wow, this is a game changer, I'd be looking at ways to get that pick 7.
Tiger71 from BigFooty Tigercast said on last nights show we are looking to get back into this yrs Draft after our trades are done so we may be looking at that pick. He's had a few decent predictions for our off seasons in the past & has nailed our coming moves this yr thus far.
 
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momentai

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Maybe Jack dosent really want to go, but has simply been offered a longer contract and the promise of more midfield time as I’d imagine like most midfielders they’d rather play midfield then on a flank .

Hope he stays as is defensive running is so important to us even if our style tweaks a bit over the summer, also with our all time starting midfield getting older an close to the end it’s important we do keep Jack for 2024 an beyond .

JG is one of my faves, however I don’t think he’s in the class of Hopper and Timmy
Not really a midfielder. Although he has the passion and the speed in a straight line, he lacks the agility to match it with the better players who he would have to nullify.

If he stays maybe a lesser player like George has the skills necessary to make it in that role.
 
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TigerMasochist

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Richmond don’t really rate the sideways game much.
Does Jack play a sideways game though??

Not a real lot wrong with getting the pill sideways at times if you're in and under the coal face getting the pill sideways into space to the likes of Dusty, Shai, Shedda either.
 
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HR

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Graham is a gun.
A proven player.
Good for the club.
Hope he stays.
 
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Lidsand

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I don't want crows but i thought this guy was a bust? Has he really improved that much this yr? Genuine question as i've not paid attention to him at all.
Had some good moments this year, I'm guessing played about 15 games but in the right age bracket to replace riewoldt for the next 7 years

He's a lovely kick and has a great leap but is one paced and gets lost for big chunks of games

I reckon he would benefit from being in a better team with better players around him
 
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Ricemagic

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I don't want crows but i thought this guy was a bust? Has he really improved that much this yr? Genuine question as i've not paid attention to him at all.
Darcy Fogarty -

2021 - 17 games - 24 goals - 1.4 goals a game
2022 - 17 games - 33 goals - 2 goals a game. A bit of an improvement.
In 2022, he started with just 2 goals in the first 5 games, then in the last 12 games - 31 goals, 2.5 goals a game. An improvement again from the first 5 games.
The last three games he went 4, 4 and 3. 11 goals avg of 3.7.

From the eye test I heard those rumours about a month ago, I thought he looked like a very good player. Similar to the growth in Cumberland once he started playing seniors for us.
But at 193cm, 94 kg he's just 2 cm shorter than Riewoldt. And Fogarty is just 23 tomorrow - Sunday - so happy birthday mate (y)
 
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