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4 weeks from the start of Summer and it’s 10 degrees with hail.

Worst continual period of weather I’ve ever experienced in Melbourne these last 7 months. Just smashed month after month after month.
I didn't realise you were so young.
 
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I've always thought it wrong that the Langcocks and Twiggy Forrests of the world make money out of resources. Should all be government controlled I think, it belongs to all of us.
Philosophically I agree. But realistically, we live in a capitalist society. Hancock is an extreme outlier, a parasite. Never dug anything up in his life, Lang I'm talking about, Gina just inherited his dough. Stumbled across a few rusty rocks, pegged the claim, went and talked to his mates in the WA government, sold the mining rights to Rio for a royalty cut, biggest royalty cut in Aus history, then watched the money roll in.

Twiggy is a different kind of *smile*, but at least he works for a living.

Generally, I think mining companies should be able to mine and make a profit, but they just should pay a fair cut. Currently they don't. Mining companies rule Australian politics, whatever they want, they get.
 
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Was it this bad in the 1930’s old man ?
ha ha. Reminds me of a funny story, I was working in north Queensland, 20 years odd years ago, and it was raining non-stop during winter. I remarked it was unusual weather and this old lady, who I knew, said, nah its happened before, I remember when Des was a baby I couldn't get his nappies dry. How old is Des? I asked. 55 she said.
 
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ha ha. Reminds me of a funny story, I was working in north Queensland, 20 years odd years ago, and it was raining non-stop during winter. I remarked it was unusual weather and this old lady, who I knew, said, nah its happened before, I remember when Des was a baby I couldn't get his nappies dry. How old is Des? I asked. 55 she said.

She should have told Des to stop pi55ing in them. (y) :)
 
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Watch this, really good snap shot of how we can turn it around. Big farming has a lot to answer for.

 
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I watched it recently. Definitely part of the holistic solution required.
The link between winning the War and modifying the gas the Germans used in the camps to go on crops terrified me.
 
Watch this, really good snap shot of how we can turn it around. Big farming has a lot to answer for.


This is a brilliant documentary. I can't believe its only got 17.5k views, when you can watch some numbnuts do something stupid get millions.

This is the sort of stuff that should be taught in schools. I'm sure the kids would love to watch it, kids in this generation are being brought up to view sustainability in a way that none of us were, and this shows its never too late. The transformation that they showed in China (around an hour and 10 minutes into the video) was astounding in "just" 14 years. We are told we can't fix our issues in our lifetime, but we absolutely can. This sort of thing is a far quicker transition than will be able to be made in things like a move to electric cars (which due to production capacities - would take over 20 years assuming all non-electric production was changed immediately), but farming isn't "cool" to talk about.

One thing they didn't go into in that video (but I saw it was on their agenda), was seaweed farming. Its something we've done very little with as a race, but on the same proviso, we take a lot from the water (fish etc) but give very little back, which leads to destruction of the very ecosystems that we need to produce more fish. Like the soil, the ocean is a big carbon sink, but in order to turn it into a more cyclical environment, we need to help farm the ocean. Seawood grows at roughly twice the growth rate of the fastest land crop (bamboo) and can be used in areas of the world to reoxygenate areas of the seas that now are wastelands, much like some of those areas that we see on land. No oxygen in the water means no life. We can increase crop growth by farming these areas (and it would be fairly cheap to do so with a very fast growing crop). Reoxygenate the ocean, will increase fish populations and diversity and restore our oceans too, so would love for more of this discussion also.

1 thing in the climate agenda that gets forgotten (and I understand why there is more focus on energy), is that nearly 20% of our carbon "release" is generated by agriculture. As this video shows, agriculture needn't be a "release" of carbon but a sink to swallow carbon, and again as shown in that video, to be able to do it at a much higher profitability level than current conventional farming practises, it really is astounding that this hasn't been jumped on far more.

If farmers can make more profits AND restore soil quality / biodiversity of our land, why wouldn't they do that.
 
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It’s a bit of a slog sometimes but ministry of the future (science faction) deals with humanity addressing climate change.

It’s starts with millions and millions dying due to a wet bulb event. (This is where the combination of humidity and heat makes sweating heat you up until you die - basically evolution didn’t comprehend that level of climate)

It also has farmers getting paid eventually for changing their agricultural practices to put carbon in their soil

 
This is a brilliant documentary. I can't believe its only got 17.5k views, when you can watch some numbnuts do something stupid get millions.

This is the sort of stuff that should be taught in schools. I'm sure the kids would love to watch it, kids in this generation are being brought up to view sustainability in a way that none of us were, and this shows its never too late. The transformation that they showed in China (around an hour and 10 minutes into the video) was astounding in "just" 14 years. We are told we can't fix our issues in our lifetime, but we absolutely can. This sort of thing is a far quicker transition than will be able to be made in things like a move to electric cars (which due to production capacities - would take over 20 years assuming all non-electric production was changed immediately), but farming isn't "cool" to talk about.

One thing they didn't go into in that video (but I saw it was on their agenda), was seaweed farming. Its something we've done very little with as a race, but on the same proviso, we take a lot from the water (fish etc) but give very little back, which leads to destruction of the very ecosystems that we need to produce more fish. Like the soil, the ocean is a big carbon sink, but in order to turn it into a more cyclical environment, we need to help farm the ocean. Seawood grows at roughly twice the growth rate of the fastest land crop (bamboo) and can be used in areas of the world to reoxygenate areas of the seas that now are wastelands, much like some of those areas that we see on land. No oxygen in the water means no life. We can increase crop growth by farming these areas (and it would be fairly cheap to do so with a very fast growing crop). Reoxygenate the ocean, will increase fish populations and diversity and restore our oceans too, so would love for more of this discussion also.

1 thing in the climate agenda that gets forgotten (and I understand why there is more focus on energy), is that nearly 20% of our carbon "release" is generated by agriculture. As this video shows, agriculture needn't be a "release" of carbon but a sink to swallow carbon, and again as shown in that video, to be able to do it at a much higher profitability level than current conventional farming practises, it really is astounding that this hasn't been jumped on far more.

If farmers can make more profits AND restore soil quality / biodiversity of our land, why wouldn't they do that.
It was on streaming services too, maybe even cinemas.
 
A lot of articles recently bagging recycling and composting. Making them seem like they are failing. Recycling is declining in most western countries, alternatives need to be looked at.

Big oil and big plastic are putting the PR dogs on full attack. This is the tobacco wars of the 70's & 80's but with the planet, not humans, health at stake.
 
A lot of articles recently bagging recycling and composting. Making them seem like they are failing. Recycling is declining in most western countries, alternatives need to be looked at.

Big oil and big plastic are putting the PR dogs on full attack. This is the tobacco wars of the 70's & 80's but with the planet, not humans, health at stake.

In some ways I agree on recycling. Not that I bag it, recycling is definitely something we should be doing more of rather than less, but I do believe we are failing with recycling in a big big way, and the issue of with that is the market itself. A product / industry can only survive with an end product, if there is no market for recycling of certain items then they won't be recycled and will just be dumped. In my personal view, government can change this immediately (and I'm not just talking about the feds here but your local governments).

Dumping fees should be immediately increased IMO. The company I work for has to send certain products to the tip and we pay tipping fees on those, tipping fees vary wildly throughout Australia, the highest are in Sydney (around $350 / tonne dumped) to below $100 in other areas. Why not set a price at say $1,000 / tonne. The same goes with your household rubbish, at the moment, I pay the same for my bin as the house down the road with 5 kids (this isn't a real life example but a made up one). rubbish collections should be based on user pays. You recycle all your food waste (as you should in your green bin or in a compost bin) and your bin is light, maybe you get a rebate, you bin everything, you pay a lot more. They would need to have built in scales for each home and some computer system of registering a collection a house, but they should be able to do this. You are therefore proving a financial incentive to find other ways to deal with your rubbish instead of the easy "I'll throw it in the bin", or as a business "we'll just take it to the dump".

By increasing the incentive, this will kick start the market into finding solutions that may currently not be cost effective but soon will become cost effective. Take your local shopping centre, how many of the food courts have food waste recycling bins?? Not many I'd guess, most will have the plastics recycling bin and a trash one. If its going to cost them a fortune to send the trash bin to the dump, then maybe they will bring in a 3rd bin, that has a much cheaper cost option to remove that waste.

I've been trying to build up a business plan on the side to develop a composting business, I don't think initially I'd need to give up much time towards it, but would be looking at sourcing food waste, manure, sawdust and green waste. The biggest problem in Australia is sourcing sawdust from non-treated wood as most wood is treated (something my company gets a fair amount of). Whilst I understand the issues of leaching of the treatments of these woods, you can actually dilute the levels of these treatments through water, to a place where any residual chemicals leaked don't present any danger to the soil any longer, but the EPA doesn't seem to allow this, even though sawdust is a very important part of the process of composting when you are using more water based composting materials such as food waste.

What negative articles are you seeing on composting? I can't see how anyone could really write an article that suggests that composting is a bad thing.
 
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What negative articles are you seeing on composting? I can't see how anyone could really write an article that suggests that composting is a bad thing.

My wife is a big veggie gardener and composter. Used to give me the *smile* because it would attract mice and rats, even with fully off-ground, enclosed containers which they ate into. Also a pain to shovel out afterwards and mange the resting times etc..

Her solution was to buy a couple of guinea pigs and now all the scraps go 'through' them and their *smile* goes straight on the garden. No mess, no handling, too easy.
 
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