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2023 Draft Thread.
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What's the go with Colina? His name is not on the category B rookie list.
2. Gold Coast - Sam Day (re-listed)
3. St Kilda - Riley Bonner (Port Adelaide)
West Coast - Coen Livingstone
Brisbane - Bruce Reville
Greater Western Sydney - Nathan Wardius
Round one
1. West Coast Eagles - Loch Rawlinson (Sturt SANFL)
2. North Melbourne - Finnbar Maley (Northern Bullants VFL)
3. Hawthorn - Cooper Stephens (re-listed)
4. Gold Coast - Sam Clohesy (Werribee VFL)
5. Fremantle - Odin Jones (West Perth WAFL)
6. Richmond - Pass
7. Geelong Cats - Emerson Jeka (Hawthorn)
8. Essendon - Vigo Visentini (Sandringham Dragons)
9. Adelaide - Will Hamill (re-listed)
10. Western Bulldogs - Lachie McNeil (re-listed)
11. Sydney Swans - Sam Reid (re-listed)
12. Melbourne - Jake Melksham (re-listed)
13. Port Adelaide - Xavier Walsh (East Perth WAFL)
14. GWS Giants - Adam Kennedy (re-listed)
15. Carlton - Matt Carroll (Sandringham Dragons)
16. Collingwood - Pass
Round two
17. North Melbourne - Pass
18. Gold Coast - Will Rowlands (Norwood SANFL)
19. Fremantle - Pass
20. Adelaide - James Borlase (re-listed)
21. Western Bulldogs - Taylor Duryea (re-listed)
22. Melbourne - Kynan Brown (Oakleigh Chargers, father-son)
23. Collingwood - Pass
Round three
24. Gold Coast - Jack Mahony (North Melbourne)
25. Western Bulldogs - Pass
26. Melbourne - Pass
27. Collingwood - Pass
Round four
28. Gold Coast - Pass
Round five
29. Gold Coast - Pass
2023 Pre-Season Draft
1. Hawthorn - Chad Wingard (re-listed)2. Gold Coast - Sam Day (re-listed)
3. St Kilda - Riley Bonner (Port Adelaide)
Category B Rookies
Sydney - Indhi KirkWest Coast - Coen Livingstone
Brisbane - Bruce Reville
Greater Western Sydney - Nathan Wardius
2023 Rookie Draft Order
Round one
1. West Coast Eagles - Loch Rawlinson (Sturt SANFL)
2. North Melbourne - Finnbar Maley (Northern Bullants VFL)
3. Hawthorn - Cooper Stephens (re-listed)
4. Gold Coast - Sam Clohesy (Werribee VFL)
5. Fremantle - Odin Jones (West Perth WAFL)
6. Richmond - Pass
7. Geelong Cats - Emerson Jeka (Hawthorn)
8. Essendon - Vigo Visentini (Sandringham Dragons)
9. Adelaide - Will Hamill (re-listed)
10. Western Bulldogs - Lachie McNeil (re-listed)
11. Sydney Swans - Sam Reid (re-listed)
12. Melbourne - Jake Melksham (re-listed)
13. Port Adelaide - Xavier Walsh (East Perth WAFL)
14. GWS Giants - Adam Kennedy (re-listed)
15. Carlton - Matt Carroll (Sandringham Dragons)
16. Collingwood - Pass
Round two
17. North Melbourne - Pass
18. Gold Coast - Will Rowlands (Norwood SANFL)
19. Fremantle - Pass
20. Adelaide - James Borlase (re-listed)
21. Western Bulldogs - Taylor Duryea (re-listed)
22. Melbourne - Kynan Brown (Oakleigh Chargers, father-son)
23. Collingwood - Pass
Round three
24. Gold Coast - Jack Mahony (North Melbourne)
25. Western Bulldogs - Pass
26. Melbourne - Pass
27. Collingwood - Pass
Round four
28. Gold Coast - Pass
Round five
29. Gold Coast - Pass
The psd and rookie drafts are really losing their relevance. 8 relistings from the rookie and 2 from 3 in the psd.
CT ain't on 250k. And there wouldn't be many, if any, that are more knowledge about a draft crop than CT.
It requires reformatting but the AFL is more interested in adding new gimmicks.
For some reason i thought we had to spots left , taken1 in rookie draft & leave a spot open
Obviously I was wrong
Obviously I was wrong
If he's not on that dough he's getting robbed! Like him or not, he has a public profile that makes him worth that regardless. And following that, there wouldn't be many, if any, that are paid a full-time wage to do what he does, by the controlling body that provides the gift-wrapped networks,, ergo it is reasonable and expected that he'd be extremely knowlegable.
IMO opinion he is very knowlegable, but not very insightful. And as I've said, his self indulgence is tough to take, but it seems to be encouraged by his bosses so I suppose its just the AFL culture.
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Totally true ,no other opinion can justify discounting a already ridiculous cheap academy bid.
Pretty impressive. Originally wanted to trade up to get one of Edwards or Reid at pick 30. When that wasn’t going to pan out, plan B came into effect - Slidemond.
I would normally place this in what the journos say but as it's totally about the draft 2023/2024 no doubt best to place it here. Enjoy!
AFL Draft 2023: Inside the Tigers’ 2023 draft strategy and what it means for 2024
The Tigers played coy at the 2023 draft with a limited hand, setting themselves up to be risers of 2024. SAM LANDSBERGER goes inside the draft strategy at Tigerland.Sam Landsberger
7 min read
November 22, 2023 - 6:54PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/.../e007e43b1ae0ca94aa0361e8c587dbca#share-tools
Not for the first time, Richmond’s draft tactics have triggered a nickname from its rivals.
The Tigers were cheekily dubbed ‘Bidmond’ in 2019 – they were then the draft’s perennial bidders – only for chief recruiter Matt Clarke to recycle that status on Sydney instead last year.
“People are now calling us the ‘Richmond Sliders’,” Matt Clarke told the Herald Sun on Wednesday.
“Because we kept working the phones to slide picks into next year. So we’ve changed from ‘Bidmond’ over to ‘Bidney’, and now we’re the Sliders.”
Greater Western Sydney recruiter Emma Quayle coined the gag in a text to Clarke and on Tuesday night she was right.
The Tigers entered the draft at pick 35, soaked up four minutes of the shot clock (every club is given five minutes per selection) and then slid back to pick 38 in a trade with Fremantle.
Then, at pick 38 they spent four more minutes on the clock before trading back from pick 38 to 40.
But like ‘Bidmond’, the ‘Richmond Sliders’ is set for a short shelf life.
Next year it will be the ‘Richmond Risers’ as the Tigers plot to upgrade their suite of future picks into coveted first-round selections.
They hold nine selections in the 2024 draft.
Adem Yze’s Tigers are in a new era. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images)
On Tuesday night they banked Fremantle’s future third-rounder, West Coast’s future third-rounder and Essendon’s future fourth-rounder without risking access to draft targets Kane McAuliffe or Liam Fawcett.
Put simply, Clarke has conjured a cache of draft points that will be in hot demand as another smattering of father-son and academy stars swell the first round.
“We don’t know if there’s going to be anywhere near the points that Gold Coast had to get this year with their four academy boys, but we know that the Crows are going to need a lot of points for (father-son) Tyler Welsh,” Clarke said.
“Carlton has got the Camporeale boys, and one of them (Ben) is a genuinely right at the pointy end.
“They’re both outstanding kids, they just run and keep getting the footy.
“Then there’s obviously Gold Coast with (academy star Leo Lombard) and we always know there will be others to emerge.”
Fans who sat at home flummoxed as they watched the draft should realise that the Tigers crept an inch backwards to go a mile forwards.
Richmond’s draft haul of Kane McAuliffe and Liam Fawcett looked quite dull in comparison to most clubs.
TIGER TRADES (Live at the draft)
* Pick 35 traded to Fremantle for pick 38 and Fremantle’s 2024 third-round selection* Pick 38 traded to West Coast for pick 40 and West Coast’s 2024 third-round selection
* Pick 54 traded to Essendon for Essendon’s 2024 fourth-round pick
But imagine if those itty bitty deals help capture the Suns, Blues or Crows precious pick next year?
In the past eight drafts the Tigers have used just one pick inside the first 15 (Josh Gibcus No. 9 in 2021).
So if they are sitting on two golden choices next year – their own plus a bonus one from a club chasing draft points – what should they do?
Choose two young guns in a draft class that Clarke rated as “really strong” at the top?
Or be bold and shake out another club’s star?
“We know realistically where we’re at in terms of developing key position depth,” Clarke said.
“But because we haven’t picked at the top for a while, maybe you want to add some high-end talent – no matter what type of player they are.
“Or a positional talent that you want to trade for to fill a hole.
“That’s where you’ve got the currency with these (future) picks to go, ‘OK, maybe we do bundle up two or three picks to give to Carlton to get their first pick, and then you’ve got two first-rounders.
“Then, you can go to a club and go, ‘OK, hey, we want your big boy – here’s two first-rounders’.”
For the record, the list of ‘big boys’ out of contract in 2024 includes Ben King (Gold Coast), Aaron Cadman (GWS), Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Tim English (Western Bulldogs) and Logan McDonald (Sydney).
All of this traces back to a draft strategy saturated in surveillance … and it was not even Plan A.
RICHMOND’S 2024 DRAFT HAND
Round 1 x 1 pick (tied to Richmond)Round 2 x 2 picks (tied to Richmond and Fremantle)
Round 3 x 3 picks (tied to Richmond, Fremantle and West Coast)
Round 4 x 3 picks (tied to Richmond, Port Adelaide and Collingwood)
The Tigers started Tuesday trying to trade up the order from pick 35 – not down.
They ranked big boys Archie Reid and Mitch Edwards well inside their first round and so they offered West Coast pick 35 plus a future pick for No. 30 (the first selection on Tuesday night).
They were comfortable diluting their 2024 draft hand but realistic it was unlikely to tempt the Eagles.
They declined, took Reid themselves and then Geelong grabbed Edwards at pick 32.
“We probably could’ve gone a little bit harder (at striking a trade for Reid or Edwards), but our strong intelligence was that we were in the box seat for young Liam Fawcett,” he said.
“We always had Fawcett rated quite highly as well, so if they’re (Edwards and Reid) off the board we still have the option of picking a developing young key just behind those.”
With the Tigers unable to move up from No. 35 their strategy shifted to stockpiling future selections by cleverly manoeuvring down the order
without risking access to their draft targets.
Blair Hartley, Richmond list manager. Picture by Michael Klein
The intelligence gathered by football chief Blair Hartley was critical.
Richmond knew Carlton and Fremantle held interest in Fawcett, and that Collingwood had conducted a house visit in South Australia.
But Port Adelaide loomed as the danger, and so the Tigers prioritised taking both of their picks before the Power’s first.
Richmond’s trifecta of trades allowed Fremantle (Cooper Simpson), West Coast (Clay Hall) and Essendon (Archie Roberts) to secure their top targets immediately.
But when the deals were lodged the Tigers did not know for sure who any of those clubs would be taking.
“We go, ‘OK, there’s a club ringing – who do we think they’re going to pick? We think they like this type, we think they’ve picked one of these before, we know this guy (rival recruiter) likes this type,” Clarke said.
“I reckon it’s him. Well, we’re not picking him – let’s slide it, and that’s what we ended up doing.”
Kane McAuliffe (North Adelaide) is now a Tiger. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images)
Liam Fawcett’s breakout game was missed by plenty. (Photo by Mark Brake/AFL Photos/via Getty Images)
Only once have the Tigers asked who a rival would pick before agreeing to a swap on draft night.
The Tigers did not want to miss out on Hugo Ralphsmith in 2019 and so the honourable Ned Guy (ex-Collingwood list boss) divulged that the Pies wanted Trent Bianco to seal the deal.
Richmond recruiters had rated midfielder Clay Hall highly, however when he became an Eagle at pick 38 they did not get overly twitchy.
“If you’ve got your heart set on one player specifically then you probably won’t do a lot of these things,” Clarke said.
“But when you’ve got a band of players at a certain rating you go, ‘OK, well he’s one of these’.
“We’ve moved back three spots – but we’ve got this band of five players that are rated the same and so if one goes off, that’s OK – we’ll pick him.”
Hartley’s phone ran hot on the clock. He would transcribe the incoming offers to Clarke, who would then collaborate with their crew.
“At one point there were four or five (trade) scenarios for one pick, so (we had to choose) what’s the best?” Clarke said.
“OK, who’s giving you the future third?”
The Tigers referenced their “subjective calculation” of the 2024 premiership race when weighing up offers.
That basically sounds like the world’s earliest ladder predictor, essentially reinforcing that West Coast’s future picks will probably be more valuable than Collingwood’s.
It might seem speaking to five clubs and selecting the best deal while scanning for intelligence on who likes your players is a lot to get done in four minutes.
MATT CLARKE ON …
PICK 40KANE McAULIFFE (Mid)
“He’s a super competitive kid, he’s smart, he’s going to drive others and he’s a real leader. We had him in the early 20s (of our rankings), so about 20 places ahead of where we picked him, but that’s not uncommon for clubs. Physically he’s pretty robust. He’s 186cm and 87kg, so he probably needs to strip one or two kilos in a certain area and build back up again. His running has really improved. He ran a really good 2km time trial at the end of the year, 6min 26sec I think. It was a great effort coming off groin injuries and a limited pre-season. He’ll cope well with VFL footy next year.”
PICK 43
LIAM FAWCETT (Key fwd)
“In round 1 this year our Perth-based scout and I went to Adelaide. He went to Centrals to watch Fawcett while I was tracking a young boy named Matt Coulthard at a different ground for the mid-season draft. The cameraman didn’t turn up to Liam Fawcett’s standout game, where he had 14 marks and six or seven contested. (The scout) rang me and said, ‘Mate, he is dominating this game and there’s no cameraman. He was sick and didn’t turn up’. A number of clubs saw it, but probably five or six full-timers. Everyone talks about the great game he played that there’s no vision of.”
But it was a deliberate tactic to also test the AFL’s shot clock.
“Sometimes people look at the clock and go, ‘Why aren’t they picking a bloke?’” Clarke said.
“But you just don’t know who’s going to ring. We’re going to pick this bloke – but hang on. Just wait, just wait, and oh, gee the phone rings.
“You sit there and wait for someone to call because we’ve got three blokes here all rated the same.
“We’re happy to pick either of them, but let’s just wait and someone might give us something good to roll back one or two picks and we’ll pick the same bloke.
“Let’s just hold.”
After sliding from No. 35 to No. 38 and then from No. 38 to No. 40 the Tigers held again.
They fielded two more offers to moonwalk through the 40s, helping explain why it took four minutes to simply take McAuliffe.
“But 40 might’ve gone back to 47 or 48, and that probably would’ve wiped out three of the guys we had rated there,” Clarke said.
“We’ve done pretty well. If we’re going to be risking it, let’s take our chips from the table now.“We put a lot of time and effort into this. A lot of people were probably sitting there going, ‘Oh, well, they just picked two players’.
“The team that gathered the intel, it mightn’t look like much. But it was mentally draining by the end I can guarantee it.”
Saw this on X - Tarkyn O’Leary and Cam Nyko are players Richmond are considering to trial over the summer. Richmond passed on a rookie draft selection today and would rather trial multiple players to see who will get the final list spot.
Don't know much about these 2 but found some info and vids too! Both wingers.
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Tarkyn O’Leary (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro)
The hard-running wingman impressed many at the draft combine, finishing first in the 2km time trial with a time of 5:48 minutes.
An elite aerobic athlete, O’Leary competed well for both the Dragons and even didn’t look out of place for the Zebras when he got a taste of VFL footy.
Standing at 178cm, O’Leary could potentially present as a small forward option if he makes it to the next level.
Weight: 70kg
D.O.B: 01-07-2005
Weight: 76kg
D.O.B: 25-11-2005
Don't know much about these 2 but found some info and vids too! Both wingers.
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Tarkyn O’Leary (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro)
The hard-running wingman impressed many at the draft combine, finishing first in the 2km time trial with a time of 5:48 minutes.
An elite aerobic athlete, O’Leary competed well for both the Dragons and even didn’t look out of place for the Zebras when he got a taste of VFL footy.
Standing at 178cm, O’Leary could potentially present as a small forward option if he makes it to the next level.
RookieMe - Tarkyn O'Leary
Height: 178cmWeight: 70kg
D.O.B: 01-07-2005
Tarkyn O'Leary | 2023 AFL Draft player highlights
RookieMe - Cam Nyko
Height: 179cmWeight: 76kg
D.O.B: 25-11-2005
Cam Nyko - 2023 AFL Draft player highlights
They'll probably now make changes that affect us next year.
