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ARC Appeal
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When the AFL changed the rules with the stand on the mark bollocks I knew it was all about dismantling the Richmond gameplan, let's be honest, the hierarchy have always wanted equalisation, they pride themselves on it. Unfortunately this kind of sports socialism has seeped into all facets of the game, from free kicks to dubious video decisions. It's policy on the run & has created situations like the Tom Stewart king hit which was largely ignored until the videos made the umpires look criminally negligent. If the AFL thinks fans will simply keep putting up with such garbage then they might be in for a rude shock. This year I found my interest waning, in part because Everest has already been scaled but also due to the arbitrary nature of officialdom & the blatant inconsistency you see on a weekly basis. I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.
Yes - you could interpret the vision that way also. It's like the illusion where you see a young girl or an old lady depending on the way you look at it. Your mind can interpret 2D visions in different ways.
Tony Braxton-Hicks
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I've zoomed and played this frame by frame. The ball disappears behind the post.
Yep, I cannot see it any other way. There may be a possibility the ball scraped the back of the post, but that is not what the reviewer thought. The reviewer said it went over the post, and this vision shows that they were 100% wrong.
The AFL's support of this decision today is simply incoherent. It has been leaked that player reactions are taken into account by the ARC, how would Tom Lynch know if he'd scored from where he stood with precise accuracy? His position and the views of other players are as comprimised as the camera angles used to overturn the goal. Tom Lynch's reaction may be uncertainty or a feeling that he's missed but from inadequate perspective.
Principly this is why the goal umpire stands in alignment with the posts. This is the most accurate viewpoint available. The ARC should have looked at the Goal Umpire's positioning and uninhibited view of the ball flight rather than reach for an idea of the ball's flight from a camera 200 metres away or following the players 'body language'.
There is no perfect solution, technological or otherwise, due process is all our game has. The goal umpire's call right or wrong had to be upheld as this was the best (however imperfect) view of whether the ball passed over the post. Supporting last night's howler with invented AFL-house reasoning strikes as a PR stunt, designed to move the news cycle along and ignore logic.
Principly this is why the goal umpire stands in alignment with the posts. This is the most accurate viewpoint available. The ARC should have looked at the Goal Umpire's positioning and uninhibited view of the ball flight rather than reach for an idea of the ball's flight from a camera 200 metres away or following the players 'body language'.
There is no perfect solution, technological or otherwise, due process is all our game has. The goal umpire's call right or wrong had to be upheld as this was the best (however imperfect) view of whether the ball passed over the post. Supporting last night's howler with invented AFL-house reasoning strikes as a PR stunt, designed to move the news cycle along and ignore logic.
It's WWF time at the AFL.
You cannot call yourself a professional sporting body under Gil's watch, no bloody way. To even describe it as amateur hour does a massive disservice to all those dedicated volunteers supporting amateur sport.
And he apparently is only staying on to negotiate the next TV deal. Can see that being a winner.
You cannot call yourself a professional sporting body under Gil's watch, no bloody way. To even describe it as amateur hour does a massive disservice to all those dedicated volunteers supporting amateur sport.
And he apparently is only staying on to negotiate the next TV deal. Can see that being a winner.
Some of you posters need to pull your heads in and have a long cold shower.
To be fair, the reviewer never once said which post the ball was going over. We are all assuming it was the goal post that was clearly identified in the picture.
Until the AFL release the vision showing the ball going over a post, we will never really know which post it went over.
100%. Nice feeling to carry around for next 6 months that the AFL either knowingly or by sheer ignorance screwed us.
You may be right, maybe the reviewer actually said poster (as in the one a kid in the crowd was holding) but the audio broke down. (The audio they use is not designed by the same NASA scientists who designed the cameras, so is not of the same incredibly high quality.)
The only technology that can determine for sure in a situation like this is a camera from the ground pointing up along the inside of the post. i.e. the view the goal umpire had.
They should mount small cameras inside the top of the padding pointing up. They could also use this to see if the ball hits the post.
They should mount small cameras inside the top of the padding pointing up. They could also use this to see if the ball hits the post.
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Exactly, agree with that Brodders. The reviewer clearly said it went over the post, yet that is clearly wrong.
Needless to say, on the footage I have seen I can't see it going over any post. Media beat-up.
A camera side on on the goal line would help. Then it would be clear if it crossed the line before it went above post height, as the twitter video shows, and if played in sync with other cameras, including down the ground it should be possible to track where the ball is.
i dont think any one in the media is saying that either. as far as i can tell 2 people think it went over the post- the ARC person, and the AFL person who agreed- tho i have my suspicion the media may have got a pre-recorded messaging saying "whichever decision you are calling about, the decision was right" when they called at 11:00pm last night.
I certainly do.
The rule changes aimed squarely at us has had a big impact on my thoughts about the competition's integrity.
I'm not paying my hard earned dollars for memberships if going to get bent over & told to enjoy it.
Not to mention the move to midweek games. They're *smile* kidding themselves. It makes me furious the way these executives *smile* on the hardcore fans.
