It'll be an interesting outcome. They won't let him off scott-free IMO but I don't think he will be deported. Something like a $25k fine is what I'm expecting and Novax should jump at that. The alternative is he heads back to Serbia with a 3 year exclusion order. They'll balance the International image of Australia against the need to put in a hefty fine to deter others from similar breaches.
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It'll be an interesting outcome. They won't let him off scott-free IMO but I don't think he will be deported. Something like a $25k fine is what I'm expecting and Novax should jump at that. The alternative is he heads back to Serbia with a 3 year exclusion order. They'll balance the International image of Australia against the need to put in a hefty fine to deter others from similar breaches.
I think the fact that obese people suffer worse outcomes from Covid infection means that the two are linked and should be addressed. People can’t change their age but most can impact their weight through lifestyle choices.
Not saying that it’s all we should be doing but it should form part of our response if this is in fact about following the science and health outcomes.
This is the game changer. There were reports in Oct that they had 80% success rates on covid positive patients. It shouldn't take this long.
It's an opinion. My opinion is Scott Morrison or the CHO of the state saying lose weight is good and especially right now would have the cut-through of a limp lettuce leaf. No problem with them doing it but the number of people who change their long-term of behaviour on this will be close to zero.
Obesity is a long term issue. Coronavirus is an immediate issue. People with co-morbidities - many of which are not due to lifestyle choices - absolutely have the right to ask people to wear masks or get vaccinated. Respiratory diseases, heart disease, mental illness, auto-immune diseases, cancer etc all make people more vulnerable to covid and many are not due to "choice".
And all these people with these conditions are missing appointments/surgery/treatments because f'wits won't get vaccinated. *smile* 'em.
The TGA is approving drugs far quicker than they used to pre COVID but they can't approve something that hasn't been applied for by the manufacturer. If you recall back when vaccines were just appearing there was pressure on the drug companies to get their data in to get TGA approval.
There are already lots of treatments being used in Hospitals and lots in trial and that is one of the reasons death rates have reduced even before Omicron came along. Treatments are getting better all the time and will continue to as will the vaccines get better.
None of that is a silver bullet now however and it needs to be remembered that to be treated with new drugs for COVID most probably means that person is in hospital taking up a hospital bed.
Ask SCOMO. The Feds are responsible for distribution to GPs and pharmacies. The State Governments are responsible for getting stocks into the hospital system and that seems to be holding up at the moment although the levels of stock is not terribly high.
It would probably be useful for a study to show what co-morbidities seem to be present in those that die of Covid. If the % of people dying with co-morbidities have obesity as 1 of their co-morbidities then maybe it may have an impact in pushing more people towards a more healthy lifestyle.
Drug manufacture is complex - if we are talking about Pfizer's Covid treatment pills then it takes months to scale up for global distribution.
yes it is. My comments are more generic about the number of COVID treatments that are being trialled all over the world. For there to be general use there needs to be TGA approval, which requires an application and then as you rightly say there has to be a distribution chain.
Medicare also needs to register the drugs under the PBS which always takes time
Game changer maybe, more likely a step in the right direction. I am a bit sceptical about results posted in drug company sponsored studies. I think they bias the study objectives to help give the answer they want. I generally like to see a few independent studies with results that support the drug companies initial claims.
Merck's Molnupiravir was initially touted as a "game changer" by the company but full clinical trial data showed lower than expected efficacy.
Gilead's Remdesivir was similarly touted in the early days of the pandemic but has subsequentialy been show to be much less a "game changer" than an expensive treatment that may have some efficacy.
It’s not an infectious disease but could probably argue it’s contagious.
Obesity is contagious — Harvard Gazette
Public health officials have been working hard to account for the dramatic rise in U.S. obesity rates. Many obvious factors, such as poor diet and a sedentary lifestyle, certainly contribute…news.harvard.edu
More importantly Does it take up a significant amount of money and healthcare resources and contribute to a strain on the healthcare system ?
As do many things, but right now it's unvaccinated people contracting COVID that is putting our healthcare system at risk. Something that can be easily solved if people get vaccinated. Really, that should be the only message that people are focused on right now.
We need some more de-wormers and maybe a bottle of White King to be trialled.
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TGA approval does not necessarily mean the drugs are listed on the PBS. PBS listing is separate again.
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Politicians saying it once won’t have an effect, politicians putting policies in place such as personal training subsidies, gym membership subsidies, continuous media campaigns etc may have some effect. Even a small percentage of people making positive changes would have a big effect and add years to their lives.
Btw l think it’s pretty well known that diet and lifestyle choices have a significant impact on the co-morbidities you mention eg. obesity and heart disease etc.
Yes I know. PBS listing takes an inordinate amount of time in this country
