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Exactly. Today's world, no matter what we're having to contend with, seems to end up with a political debate rather than the issue at hand. Pretty sad really.
I can't imagine the pressure the decision makers are under, an economic and health crisis with disaster at every turn. And nothing but criticism in most cases. And for what? $300K?

We really need everyone to get behind the decision makers and do their best to comply with what has been advised.
 
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I don't understand why we are not getting more info on how people are getting infected so as to better protect ourselves unless they simply do not know?

As I understand the majority are still from incoming passengers and many of the others they just don't know the exact source.
 
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So it could be that the health systems keep many sick under 50s from dying.
It is reported that Covid19 is treatable in a hospital eg ventilators and oxygen machines.
And the treatment is more effective for younger / fitter people.

But if this spreads and overloads the hospital system, so that treatment for severe cases is simply 'stay home' then the numbers of dead under 50s will no doubt be much higher than 17.
That is the panic that Italy and Spain are facing

on ch 7 news monday night they said our ICU units will be full by easter is the curve doesn't flatten. this means deaths will spiral after that.
 
Text message from the aus gov - "To stop the spread stay 1.5m from others follow rules on social gatherings, wash hands, stay home if sick"

I thought we need to stay home regardless

mixed messages.
 
As I understand the majority are still from incoming passengers and many of the others they just don't know the exact source.
The Vic gov info that ToO linked to shows 276 cases come from incoming travellers, 110 more from direct contact with those travellers, 72 cases under investigation and only 8 where they cannot trace direct contact with a known case. This breakdown is what is being used for decision making by governments, not the total number of cases. They're monitoring the pick-up in community transmission cases: if this starts to increase more rapidly, they will lock us down fully I suspect.
 
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The Vic gov info that ToO linked to shows 276 cases come from incoming travellers, 110 more from direct contact with those travellers, 72 cases under investigation and only 8 where they cannot trace direct contact with a known case. This breakdown is what is being used for decision making by governments, not the total number of cases. They're monitoring the pick-up in community transmission cases: if this starts to increase more rapidly, they will lock us down fully I suspect.

Ok I was just going off the top of my head Australia wide where I'm sure I read the alarm that many they didn't know the source for, might have been mainly NSW. It is good then that there are very few unknown sources.
 
This suggests Australia's elderly are isolating themselves pretty well, as they're obliged to do. The rest of us, not so well.

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interesting chart, but it should have an asterix next to it.

let’s not forget that 80% of the positive tests are people that have been travelling. so it would come as no surprise that people aged between 20 and 70 are the most likely people to have travelled. it probably explains the low fatality rate (so far) as well. In addition, only 2% of the population is aged over 85. so those 80-89 and 90+ numbers might appear low, but will be much higher based on a per capita ratio.
 
First evidence of bubonic plague was found in a tomb in current day Sweden dating from circa 3000-3500 BC.
Yes, but it was the tomb of a Chinaman who was sent to Sweden to infect the masses to destroy capitalism.
 
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The 79 year old mother in law has a temperature and gone in for testing ,

The reality of this really hits when its that close to home
 
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I can't imagine the pressure the decision makers are under, an economic and health crisis with disaster at every turn. And nothing but criticism in most cases. And for what? $300K?

Morrison gets paid $550k per year actually plus a guaranteed pension for the rest of his days. Plenty of people under pressure, I'm sure others would be happy to take the job right now.
 
The problem with a total shut down is the question of when to come out of it. To be absolutely sure that the virus has been eradicated you would need to have tested every single person in the country. If even one person still has it when you come out of lock down then you are back at square 1.

This is not a short term thing. The Government is saying six months but listen to what Morrison said a few times in answering questions - that this will be with us for a very very long time. Estimates of 12 to 18 months before a vaccine is available then more time to get everyone vaccinated.

Go into total lock down then yes the virus hits a brick wall but then, if this thing goes into next year, the supply of food, electricity and medical assistance becomes stressed and we are all in a world of hurt.

Correct and I don't see the health issue and the economic issue being mutually exclusive. Both must be dealt with in tandem.

I would think if what we are being told about transmission occurring over a 14 day period, that a 30 day shutdown would likely eradicate the majority of the asymptomatic carriers from being said carrier, and by then those that have it and will become ill will have likely entered hospital so as long as there are ongoing restrictions in visitation etc then there would be a good chance of being able to contain any future outbreaks particularly if cross country border closures are maintained.

Its entirely feasible that there will be restrictions on our lives for the foreseeable future and potentially as long as 18 months until a vaccine can severely restrict the mortality rate, but that shouldn't mean that normality does not return in other ways much much quicker.

To me this seems like the best option but one the government still seems hesitant to take and they seem to want to tiptoe around the closures but that is creating a lot of uncertainty as to what people can actually do. Mixed messages such as massages parlours / tanning / waxing salons being banned but leaving hairdressers open. They ask that you keep appointments to less than 30 mins but claim that it only takes 15 mins for transmission.

I also note, that NZ is now in shutdown but from what I understand there have not been mass layoffs, which I think is largely due to the wage subsidy put forward by the government. For example, the company I work for are able to sustain employment of all of our workers (including casuals) due to the subsidy despite moving to zero revenue, which would be most companies preference, yet our government have not gone down this route and job losses have been very large already this week, which is very sad when for the same money they have put forward they could have supported jobs in basically the same way.

To those that say don't criticise, well some of us can see the impending doom coming out of this, and in some ways it feels like we are trying to preserve lives now but at the expenses of lives in the future as we know with a significant downturn and people losing houses etc suicides will spike.

There are some governments that are dealing very well with this crisis, there are others that are not and I would put our government somewhere in the bottom half.
 
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Gladys and Andrew are making the Fed Gov look completely out of their depth. Australia is lucky that it seems those two are really calling the shots here.
Gladys has erred in the school messaging. Keeping the schools open but imploring people to keep their kids at home is pretty contradictory.
 
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Which Government when Federal and State are giving contradicting messages?

the Government was whose leader delayed banning mass gatherings so he could watch his NRL team play live and his wacky religious brethren could finish their conferences?

the people will listen to a leader who inspires trust, confidence and clear direction. It’s what the people are looking for in these times. But you need a leader to lead, not a public servant to preside in these times. That’s the issue Australia has right now.

Gladys and Andrew are making the Fed Gov look completely out of their depth. Australia is lucky that it seems those two are really calling the shots here.

What about Andrew's initially allowing Crown Casino to remain open that was laughable.
Agree Andrew's is doing a good job but dumb decisions have still been made.
And Gladys has made the biggest mistake to date, letting infected passengers from The Ruby Princess disembark.
 
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What about Andrew's initially allowing Crown Casino to remain open that was laughable.
Agree Andrew's is doing a good job but dumb decisions have still been made.
And Gladys has made the biggest mistake to date, letting infected passengers from The Ruby Princess disembark.

Yes, they've all had mis-steps. The situation is unprecedented and evolving quickly. But it's the conviction of their message, the leadership shown, that people need now. It's more than the decisions, it's how they are addressing the public and able to keep people believing whoever is in charge is worth trusting.
 
Yes, they've all had mis-steps. The situation is unprecedented and evolving quickly. But it's the conviction of their message, the leadership shown, that people need now. It's more than the decisions, it's how they are addressing the public and able to keep people believing whoever is in charge is worth trusting.

It's a bit easier to have outright conviction as a state leader who only has their own state to make decisions for compared to the national leader who has to discuss and agree on actions with every state of Australia, each of those having their own jurisdiction and therefore agenda and ideas and demands on how to move forward. Please consider this when you're trying to evaluate trust and deciphering who is doing a good job. As far as I'm concerned they've all been doing a good job in, as you say, an unprecedented and quickly evolving situation.
 
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And Gladys has made the biggest mistake to date, letting infected passengers from The Ruby Princess disembark.

Was apparently due to NSW Health advising they weren't sending any medical personnel to board the ship and test, so in the absence of any evidence that there was a danger (voyage was Sydney to NZ and back), Border Force waved them through.
 
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Please consider this when you're trying to evaluate trust and deciphering who is doing a good job. As far as I'm concerned they've all been doing a good job in, as you say, an unprecedented and quickly evolving situation.

I've considered all angles and know who I have more confidence in during these times.
 
And Gladys has made the biggest mistake to date, letting infected passengers from The Ruby Princess disembark.

I thought Dutton owned Australia's borders, especially when people come by sea.
 
Thought this video is an interesting watch, quite long but well worth it. If you are to believe the statistics then the world will come out of this quite well. The significant risk as mentioned previously is ensuring our hospital care system remains in control.