LeeToRainesToRoach said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQvCaPd4t8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeaZR2XRAHs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQvCaPd4t8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeaZR2XRAHs
23.21.159 said:
Thanks for this. A lot of cricket played o/s passes me by...
Steve Bucknor managed to be involved in both incidents.
Don't think anybody appealed in the Sri Lanka incident. More Langer being mischievous (and unprofessional) and creating a distraction for the players' amusement and causing concern for the batsman. Apparently wasn't fined, but the match referee should've whacked him for the maximum. I'd agree that in a sense it's a very Australian thing to do... if you're a schoolboy.
I vaguely recall the second one now, which was much worse. Not sure square leg was paying attention. Haddin seemed aware that something wasn't right and should've at the very least declared that he might've broken the wicket. It's not as bad as the claimed catch that ended Greg Dyer's international career, but it's in the ballpark. It stinks. In the professional era, it may be a case of what can be proven to a legal standard if the player fights an allegation of cheating. The authorities are also cognisant of depriving a player of his livelihood and possibly ruining his career by officially labelling him a cheat.
At face value, the authorities failed the game in both cases. Yes, both of these incidents point to a sh!t team culture. I'm not going to claim the Australian team has been particularly lovable since the Waugh era, and possibly before.
Agree with that.
I'm glad somebody posted this link.
I had already read the article on CricInfo.
I think Kimber is a good writer but one thing about the article troubled me.
The match and incidents he describes in the first few paragraphs - about the fast bowler repeatedly running into him.
It has no context ... was the bowler following through on his run up? Was he chasing a ball and "accidentally" running into Kimber?
The implication is that he was just giving the batsman a good old "hip-and-shoulder" while apparently doing something as innocuous as changing fielding position between overs.
I find it hard to believe that such behaviour would be tolerated by anyone, even in the snakepit of Australian club cricket which Kimber is trying to descibe.
I'm glad somebody posted this link.
I had already read the article on CricInfo.
I think Kimber is a good writer but one thing about the article troubled me.
The match and incidents he describes in the first few paragraphs - about the fast bowler repeatedly running into him.
It has no context ... was the bowler following through on his run up? Was he chasing a ball and "accidentally" running into Kimber?
The implication is that he was just giving the batsman a good old "hip-and-shoulder" while apparently doing something as innocuous as changing fielding position between overs.
I find it hard to believe that such behaviour would be tolerated by anyone, even in the snakepit of Australian club cricket which Kimber is trying to descibe.
Glad it wasn’t an Australian that did what Joe Denly or Hasan Ali did .....
https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/urdu/en/article/2019/04/29/catch-controversy-did-pakistan-bowler-hasan-ali-catch-ball
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/worse-mankading-controversial-stumping-divides-cricket-world-014500905.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS5hdS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEfHXT6ajb-MI08wpSfqjOuF_DAmCRylIIwhAGweNJ7n_NnOdyB0S8CHWb7etGqgsvD-VLU13syKXnG0S1U9bVnv2Eg1FH_iAq3iA8VTLJ6_WiQ0ewYy51g7RtdN7YJ_uM0jzJOWnw6N_4dYXETnJg9aGHkY3GjSQpqO0EAWpkwN
https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/urdu/en/article/2019/04/29/catch-controversy-did-pakistan-bowler-hasan-ali-catch-ball
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/worse-mankading-controversial-stumping-divides-cricket-world-014500905.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS5hdS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEfHXT6ajb-MI08wpSfqjOuF_DAmCRylIIwhAGweNJ7n_NnOdyB0S8CHWb7etGqgsvD-VLU13syKXnG0S1U9bVnv2Eg1FH_iAq3iA8VTLJ6_WiQ0ewYy51g7RtdN7YJ_uM0jzJOWnw6N_4dYXETnJg9aGHkY3GjSQpqO0EAWpkwN
tigertim said:
Greg Dyer did and I'm surprised it didn't rate a mention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P44ywF3iGqw
(Are we unable to post YouTube videos now?)
Geez I wouldn't have lasted long these days. Hell I recall one day opening the bowling after two balls I swapped the ball for a nice shiny juicy red apple. Ran in and delivered a slow loopy full toss batsman smashed it literally but the look on his face was priceless as shattered pieces of apple were falling onto the pitch.
Once I walked out to bat and took middle left handed and then as I turned around looking at the fielders and took my right handed stance as the bowler started his run in I had the keeper down leg three leg slips and a leg gully in place.
Once I walked out to bat and took middle left handed and then as I turned around looking at the fielders and took my right handed stance as the bowler started his run in I had the keeper down leg three leg slips and a leg gully in place.
IanG said:
I reckon we can in regard to ball tampering compared with the Saffies.
We ball tamper, 12 months out of cricket.
Check our the consequences of Faf du Plessis' ball tampering:
In 2013 against Pakistan found guilty of rubbing the ball against his zip, caught on video, fined 50% of his match fee.
In November 2016 against Aust in Hobart, found guilty of ball tampering for a 2nd time by rubbing a lolly or mint on one side of the ball to make it sticky. Fined 100% of his match fee.
In December 2016, was named captain of the South African Test team.
CA: You've embarrassed us all...have 12 months off to think about it
CSA: Good effort to try to give us an advantage Faf....here's the Test captaincy for you.
I've done a bit of ranting about Cricket Australia being taken over by political correctness over the last couple of years. This latest development should underscore exactly what I'm talking about.
Cricket bosses call on clubs to boot long serving volunteers who are past ‘best before’ date
Cricket Australia has appealed for the dismissal of thousands of long serving club volunteers, declaring their innings should be closed.
The sport’s ruling body has urged clubs to raise the finger to stalwarts “hanging on” past their “best before” date and send them on their way.
The insult to dedicated committee members came at the start of National Volunteers Week and has been condemned by experts who warn it risks alienating cricket’s grassroots support.
The strategy was contained in a Cricket Australia document about managing its volunteer network which identifies barriers to succession planning within its ranks including volunteers “hanging on too long”.
“This involves a situation where Committee members who have served the club or association well for many years are being held onto despite the fact that they may be reaching their ‘best before’ date,” the Volunteer Management Framework said.
The passage was removed from the online document yesterday after The Daily Telegraph asked about it.
But other contentious passages remain including identifying “gate keepers” who hold “all the knowledge in a system only they understand”, believing some staff/volunteers are irreplaceable, seniors “taking all” where older members assume all administrative responsibility restricting the inclusion of juniors, and a fear of change and new ideas.
Rising demand for palliative care hits hospitals
The document aims to help clubs find new members to ensure the “longevity of cricket at a community level”.
Griffith University sport researcher Prof Graham Cuskelly said: “I think sport definitely benefits from volunteers being better managed.”
But he warned forcing change could alienate the people who keep organisations going.
“There is always a risk that if you push volunteers too hard they might push back.”
Ronald Cardwell, 66, has spent more than 40 years helping out in Sydney cricket clubs and said telling volunteers they were “past their best before date” was degrading.
“That demeans what they have contributed,” Mr Cardwell said.
The diehard St George Cricket Club official said older members played a key role in recruiting new members.
“You’ve got to ensure younger people understand the legacy.”
A Cricket Australia spokesman yesterday said the language used in the guidelines didn’t reflect the organisation’s view of volunteers.
“We actively encourage all clubs and associations to embrace diversity in their volunteer teams no matter their age, gender, ethnicity, sexuality, ability or religion,” he said.
Other sports said volunteers were their lifeblood.
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Cricket Australia, you absolute *smile*ing *smile*s. I'm 50 and think about retiring every year, but you've given me the motivation to play 'til I drop.
*smile* you. No, really. *smile* YOU.
Cricket bosses call on clubs to boot long serving volunteers who are past ‘best before’ date
Cricket Australia has appealed for the dismissal of thousands of long serving club volunteers, declaring their innings should be closed.
The sport’s ruling body has urged clubs to raise the finger to stalwarts “hanging on” past their “best before” date and send them on their way.
The insult to dedicated committee members came at the start of National Volunteers Week and has been condemned by experts who warn it risks alienating cricket’s grassroots support.
The strategy was contained in a Cricket Australia document about managing its volunteer network which identifies barriers to succession planning within its ranks including volunteers “hanging on too long”.
“This involves a situation where Committee members who have served the club or association well for many years are being held onto despite the fact that they may be reaching their ‘best before’ date,” the Volunteer Management Framework said.
The passage was removed from the online document yesterday after The Daily Telegraph asked about it.
But other contentious passages remain including identifying “gate keepers” who hold “all the knowledge in a system only they understand”, believing some staff/volunteers are irreplaceable, seniors “taking all” where older members assume all administrative responsibility restricting the inclusion of juniors, and a fear of change and new ideas.
Rising demand for palliative care hits hospitals
The document aims to help clubs find new members to ensure the “longevity of cricket at a community level”.
Griffith University sport researcher Prof Graham Cuskelly said: “I think sport definitely benefits from volunteers being better managed.”
But he warned forcing change could alienate the people who keep organisations going.
“There is always a risk that if you push volunteers too hard they might push back.”
Ronald Cardwell, 66, has spent more than 40 years helping out in Sydney cricket clubs and said telling volunteers they were “past their best before date” was degrading.
“That demeans what they have contributed,” Mr Cardwell said.
The diehard St George Cricket Club official said older members played a key role in recruiting new members.
“You’ve got to ensure younger people understand the legacy.”
A Cricket Australia spokesman yesterday said the language used in the guidelines didn’t reflect the organisation’s view of volunteers.
“We actively encourage all clubs and associations to embrace diversity in their volunteer teams no matter their age, gender, ethnicity, sexuality, ability or religion,” he said.
Other sports said volunteers were their lifeblood.
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Cricket Australia, you absolute *smile*ing *smile*s. I'm 50 and think about retiring every year, but you've given me the motivation to play 'til I drop.
*smile* you. No, really. *smile* YOU.
spook said:
It's pretty blatant. They want old blokes with "old-fashioned" ideas out of the way.
"We actively encourage all clubs and associations to embrace diversity."
We paid a Sri Lankan player this year and have a number of Indians. There is nothing wrong with our club's "diversity".
I didn't think anything could *smile* me off more tonight than the Soldo decision, but this has done it.
We have an 80yo volunteer who is quite simply the greatest bloke I have ever met and is the epitome of "heart and soul" of the club. And he never played a game. I would fight CA for this man's honour, quite literally.
tigerman said:
Juniors is especially problematic for us. We'd love to run multiple junior teams but simply can't find the people to manage them. We intermittently field a junior team and it's usually a couple of the younger blokes that run it in a tag-team operation. Some of the blokes have kids who are nearly old enough to play, so hopefully we'll get up and running again.
When I played juniors, most parents stayed to watch and helped out wherever they could. These days junior teams are more like a creche where they drop the kids off and ask what time to collect them.
It's pretty simple really, without volunteers you don't have local cricket.
Are C A taking the pi55 or is this just a very late April fools joke.
If it isn't a joke & these highly paid drongos are for real, Goodness only knows where the future generations of cricketers will come from, because there will be no local cricket clubs.
Or maybe C A is going to fund all cricket in the country, (I don't think)
Are C A taking the pi55 or is this just a very late April fools joke.
If it isn't a joke & these highly paid drongos are for real, Goodness only knows where the future generations of cricketers will come from, because there will be no local cricket clubs.
Or maybe C A is going to fund all cricket in the country, (I don't think)
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
It sounds like they are going about it the wrong way but it is not political correctness in the least.
And If this is happening "But other contentious passages remain including identifying “gate keepers” who hold “all the knowledge in a system only they understand”, believing some staff/volunteers are irreplaceable, seniors “taking all” where older members assume all administrative responsibility restricting the inclusion of juniors, and a fear of change and new ideas."
then it should be fixed but again they probably aren't going about it the right way.
IanG said:
Well I'm there at the coalface and you take the volunteers you can get. You think young people want to spend time replying to administrative correspondence or cleaning the kitchen? *smile*, we can't even get the first XI captain to learn MyCricket well enough to enter the scores.
As players get older and grow their roots in the club, a few will begin to take an interest in what makes it tick. Some will get wives or girlfriends or mothers involved. It's how things work.
A logical extension of this is to ban older people from voting, so that younger, better ideas hold sway at the polling booths.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Agree again. As an ex committee member getting anyone under 30 to do anything other than sate their own desires is nigh on impossible. There is no secret knowledge, there is simply time & effort involved.
Another wanker in some marketing position at CA trying to justify his position.
MD Jazz said:
Exactly right. The roles are mundane at face value. The reward is in being part of a team that gets things done. It's not a place for attention-seekers.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
It’s funny I found some old cricket club minutes from 2001 season and read them to a guy at work. He laughed, it was all the same issues his club had. Sponsorship, training numbers, social functions (to attract wives/partners), who was running bar after the game, who was running the pub raffle, chasing new recruits, need for helpers at milo cricket....
And it all involves someone giving up their time,for nothing other than the reward of being part of a club.