Education for those that need it.

[poppa x]

Oh dear.
I really can't let the last post go without comment.

So the Media doesn't report a "White" australian bashing another eh?
Of course not.
For the same reason as in India the Indian Media don't report an "Indian" Bashing another person.

In case you can't work it out the Australian media assumes most people in this country are white Australians and the Indian media assumes most people in India are brown Indians.
Both media's only report the race or colour when it differs from what is generally accepted as the norm for that country.

Now if that's racist then it works both ways pal.

 

[shamekha]

Grow up.

You'd be kicked out because you'd be considered a pervert and told to return to the corner of the dodgy bar you crawled out of and you can't get in wearing thongs and a wife beater singlet.

Come on now, i said this on purpose as a tongue in cheek effort to stereotype!

 

[Giardiasis]

Come on now, i said this on purpose as a tongue in cheek effort to stereotype!

So I guess that means his point stands.

 

[Rosy]

So I guess that means his point stands.

I suspect most would see the irony in certain comments on here compared to the reasons PREnders were urged to boycott the site for.

 

[Rosy]

In response to Rosy's initial post on p1 of this thread, 2 things I note in the quote from the WA media regarding the beach bashing. 

.......Although this is semantic, it indicates to me that the author writes from a position of ignorance and bias.

Do you think there was any bias in Shameka's original article as well GT?  I only posted the article I did as a balance to it, pointing out it works both ways.

....  But of course that wont happen because the politics of fear and discrimination is indoctrinated - 'us' and 'them' is intended to make 'us' feel superior to 'them'.....

That's a massive generalisation imo.   If I happened to refer refer to white Australians and Indigenous Australians it certainly wouldn't be due to some indoctrinated feeling of superiority on my behalf.  I don't really like the differentiation but the fact is there is one.  Different histories, different cultures. 

I don't think Aboriginals are discriminating against us either when they refer to themselves as Koories, point to their black skin, call themselves brothers, go on 'Long Walks" to highlight their plight etc.   An Aboriginal flag was even, comparatively recently, designed to represent the past, present and future of Aboriginal people.   

In an ideal world everyone would embrace different cultures while accepting everyone as equal and deserving of the same rights, (Edit to add..) even if some need more support than others at times. 

Someone said something to me in a private message which I think is all too true. 

"Affirmative discrimination leads itself to racism, sexism etc..." ....  More food for thought.

 

[evo]

"Affirmative discrimination leads itself to racism..." .... More food for thought.

It further ingrains in the psyche of society the belief that the indigenous people are 'Other' which is the philo/sociological-concept that Gotoigs was drawing upon and which we are as a group are (allegedly) attempting to transcend.

 

[Disco08]

Agree with that for the most part. Giving indigenous people welfare simply because of their heritage is destructive IMO, for example. By all means people that need extra assitance should receive it but that should be determined by their circumstances, not their skin colour.

One example I think is beneficial though is indigenous health centres. Indigenous culture is far different to our own, especially in terms of disclosing sensitive information. If these centres can help even of small proportion of the population get help when they need it (where they otherwise may have hesitated) I think they are extremely important.

 

[chislop]

Oh dear.
I really can't let the last post go without comment.

So the Media doesn't report a "White" australian bashing another eh?
Of course not.
For the same reason as in India the Indian Media don't report an "Indian" Bashing another person.

In case you can't work it out the Australian media assumes most people in this country are white Australians and the Indian media assumes most people in India are brown Indians.
Both media's only report the race or colour when it differs from what is generally accepted as the norm for that country.

Now if that's racist then it works both ways pal.

Thank you for your patronising response, I can work it out thanks, but I've worked it out differently to you.

 

[dukeos]

I think Aboriginals need seperate health care centres. They face specific problems, that other peoples do not.
Its not racist, it just is what it is.
Appologies to the PC, but open your eyes, were not all the same. When we realise this, we can celebrate our differences, and jump in the melting pot. Maybe in a thousand years of mixed marriages we will be a little closer.

 

[Rosy]

I think Aboriginals need seperate health care centres.  They face specific problems, that other peoples do not.

Disagree duke.  All health centres should be accessible to everyone regardless of race.  It would be better to have people specialising in different needs and problems, and a good referral system for specific needs, within the health system available to everybody rather than segregating people.

 

[Disco08]

Agreed. Indigenous health care centres may specialise towards indigenous issues and ultimately treat mainly indigenous people, but they should still be available to anyone who needs them.

 

[Rosy]

A friend told me an interesting story about her aboriginal foster sister recently. The girl had been put in St Mary's home in Alice Springs by her nomadic mother in hopes of someone giving her a better life. She was taken to Melbourne to live with a minister and his young family but it didn't work out, so my friends family fostered her to grow up with their kids who were similar age (13 or so). They had a very good life and remain in touch.

When the stolen generation cause was gathering info they approached the girl to tell her story. She agreed to but wanted to tell how it was her mother's choice to put her in the home. They didn't let her tell it. I did a search on the net and her story has been used, without her being quoted, but rather than tell the circumstances of her fostering it is claimed she was forcibly removed from her family. It was accurate in other ways, and at least it does say she had a very good life and relationship with her foster family, but it's a shame it was altered to suit a particular cause. She lives in Alice Springs now, remaining in contact with her foster family in Victoria, and still sees her birth mother if she's around town.