Racism stopped at federation? Well I'll be buggered. You learn something new everyday.
Fair bit of defensiveness on here, that is the racists calling card in my book.
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Indigenous History Debate
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Fair bit of defensiveness on here, that is the racists calling card in my book.
BillBrown may well deserve a spot but Halls of Fame aren't just Shrines of Statistics. Fair bit of subjectivity in them.
All people share a history of racism/tribalism/cultism and just about every other ism you can think of but most of those alive today are not responsible for it and do not have to accept any accountability for it.
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Snippet in today's Hun about the Mullagh medal gives some info as to his ability.
Dominated Aust cricket's first tour of England way way back in 1868. Played 45 of a possible 47 matches. 245 wickets at an average of 10 runs per wicket. Scored 1698 runs at an average of 23.65.
They're mighty fine numbers by anyone's standards.
Then if you stop n consider the difficulties many indigenous people still have in adapting to life away from their land, family, tribe in 2020 compared to what it would have been like for the cricketers way back then to adjust to a long sea voyage, being away from their usual life for such a long time in a completely foreign country.
Like most I have stuff all idea about the players who took that first tour a hundred n fifty years ago, other than that they were all indigenous. Can't see any possible reason why he shouldn't be given a spot in the Hall of Fame, reckon he mighta earn't one.
Haven't been here for a while, but looks like a bunch of sandy white sooks have taken over the joint.
Love hearing white people *smile* about "reverse racism".
"Reverse Racism" is the biggest white, 3rd world problem joke of all.
Love hearing white people *smile* about "reverse racism".
"Reverse Racism" is the biggest white, 3rd world problem joke of all.
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The tour was a money-making enterprise comprised solely of stockmen from Victoria's Edenhope district who played against mediocre amateur teams on diabolical wickets. It's fascinating from a historical perspective - e.g. the players were initially coached by Tom Wills of Australian football fame, whose father had been murdered by Aboriginals a few years earlier - but let's not pretend this was first-class cricket or its equivalent. To suddenly accord it such importance embodies the revisionism referred to earlier. Johnny Mullagh, by CA's own declaration, is a token choice to represent early Aboriginal cricket. All of which is fine so long as perspective is maintained. Bending CA's own rules to include Mullagh in the Hall of Fame is not doing that.
we should be celebrating the treatment of Indigenous Australians.
List of massacres of Indigenous Australians - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Slavery in Australia - Wikipedia
Payslips found by chance at local dump lead to history-making class action
Years of payslips discovered by chance at a local dump helped Hans Pearson pursue the history-making class action that resulted in a $190 million settlement, as analysts claim the true cost of unpaid wages is closer to $500 million.www.abc.net.au
(sorry for the wiki link- they were a quick google- they do link to proper research.)
Do you think Athorn is arguing to ignore this history?
To a significant extent we as a race have stood back or turned our backs on the mistreatment of our indigenous people and this has been going on since the arrival of the first fleet.
At present that mistreatment continues to result in a reduced standard of living as against those most white families enjoy. Housing, health services and education are 3 of the principal areas where we have turned our backs and allowed inequality to fester, with high infant mortality and suicide rates just two of the more obvious consequences.
It is trite to point out that not all whites are racist but the fact remains that we as a race have failed miserably in this area.
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There is no reverse racism, just racism.
It doesn't matter what colour your skin is, if you think you're superior because of your race or another race can be stereotyped by some characteristic, then it's just plain racism.
Split this out from the Sydney Stack thread, and will leave it here if we can keep the debate to civil discourse. If it starts getting personal or inflamed, I'll lock it. Remember the site rules and please "play the ball, not the man".
Never wanted a race discussion, it's been done to death. Someone mentioned history and how it should be taught... I just pointed out that there are political forces rewriting history, with flights of fancy substituting for documented evidence in the form of e.g. Marn Grook theory or Bruce Pascoe's fevered imaginings.
Don't see how Syd has been disadvantaged in the last two years after landing at the best club in the country and living with good role models. If in doubt, is it that difficult to copy what the successful players are doing?
Don't see how Syd has been disadvantaged in the last two years after landing at the best club in the country and living with good role models. If in doubt, is it that difficult to copy what the successful players are doing?
Always has been, probably always will be. Human race has been climbing off a mighty low base the last thirty or forty years, still got a long way to go. Just a matter of continually trying to improve each generation.
All of the comments have some merit, but I was not anticipating racist dialogue.
What I said was that Tony Robinson's TV show could or should be a compulsory subject in schools today. or words to that effect.
This show of 6 episodes dealt with facts and research from various sources and told it how it was from the very first days of Australia being "discovered."
Covered quite extensively the treatment of aboriginals right from the start as well as our convict heritage.
Would recommend these programmes to any who are interested in Australian history.
Covers exploration, aboriginal culture and treatment, immigration, and all the good and not so good aspects of life in Australia from day 1 so to speak.
The children growing up today, plus the newer additions to our country, would benefit from this history lesson.
What I said was that Tony Robinson's TV show could or should be a compulsory subject in schools today. or words to that effect.
This show of 6 episodes dealt with facts and research from various sources and told it how it was from the very first days of Australia being "discovered."
Covered quite extensively the treatment of aboriginals right from the start as well as our convict heritage.
Would recommend these programmes to any who are interested in Australian history.
Covers exploration, aboriginal culture and treatment, immigration, and all the good and not so good aspects of life in Australia from day 1 so to speak.
The children growing up today, plus the newer additions to our country, would benefit from this history lesson.
I'd like to point out that this was a comment in regards the Brownless/Lyon Xmas lunch and nothing to do with the "Indigenous History Debate"
nothing to debate here.
black fellas lived on this continent quite successfully for around 100,000 years
230 odd years ago, white fellas landed, declared the joint vacant,
stole their land, hunted, shot, raped, poisoned, enslaved them.
brutal, sadistic massacres. child stealing, sickness. poor pay. segregation. imprisonment. alcoholism. diabetes. suicide.
Deficit Theory and Social Darwinism has been disproven, discredited and disgraced.
and that's really all the racists, both closeted and open, as well as the ill-informed who inadvertently perpetuate racism through these ideas, have to hang their hat on.
so,
there is no debate. this thread is racist in itself.
Its like an Essendon or a Collingwood fan site starting a
How Many Norm Smiths has Dustin Martin Won Debate thread.
*smile* joke
black fellas lived on this continent quite successfully for around 100,000 years
230 odd years ago, white fellas landed, declared the joint vacant,
stole their land, hunted, shot, raped, poisoned, enslaved them.
brutal, sadistic massacres. child stealing, sickness. poor pay. segregation. imprisonment. alcoholism. diabetes. suicide.
Deficit Theory and Social Darwinism has been disproven, discredited and disgraced.
and that's really all the racists, both closeted and open, as well as the ill-informed who inadvertently perpetuate racism through these ideas, have to hang their hat on.
so,
there is no debate. this thread is racist in itself.
Its like an Essendon or a Collingwood fan site starting a
How Many Norm Smiths has Dustin Martin Won Debate thread.
*smile* joke
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