Jack Ross | PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
  • IMPORTANT // Please look after your loved ones, yourself and be kind to others. If you are feeling that the world is too hard to handle there is always help - I implore you not to hesitate in contacting one of these wonderful organisations Lifeline and Beyond Blue ... and I'm sure reaching out to our PRE community we will find a way to help. T.

Jack Ross

tigerman

It's Tiger Time
Mar 17, 2003
24,347
19,921
Will Jack get a 4th full game in a row this week, if he does it will the first time since 2019.
Needs to play the rest of the season.
 

Redford

Tiger Legend
Dec 18, 2002
34,924
27,181
Tel Aviv
Bloke i work with. Ex AFL player. Father of a decent up and coming AFL player. Knows Ross real well. Son played with him for years. Seen a lot of his football.

He reckons we are totally playing him out of position. Reckons he's someone you just throw onto the ball and let him get around the ground from stoppage to stoppage. Forget trimming him down, playing him on a hbf or wing. Not his thing. Bulk him back up and let him do his thing in traffic and not so much of the running off hbf or the wing and one on one contests in space. Says he's a pure on baller.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 users

tigerman

It's Tiger Time
Mar 17, 2003
24,347
19,921
Bloke i work with. Ex AFL player. Father of a decent up and coming AFL player. Knows Ross real well. Son played with him for years. Seen a lot of his football.

He reckons we are totally playing him out of position. Reckons he's someone you just throw onto the ball and let him get around the ground from stoppage to stoppage. Forget trimming him down, playing him on a hbf or wing. Not his thing. Bulk him back up and let him do his thing in traffic and not so much of the running off hbf or the wing and one on one contests in space. Says he's a pure on baller.
His debut year certainly indicated inside mid was he go.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 users

eZyT

Tiger Legend
Jun 28, 2019
21,546
26,119
The HBF is THE easiest position to play in a game of footy.

Inside mid is one of the hardest (along with Ruck and FP imo).

If you look unimpressive on a HBF,

you will almost certainly look considerably more unimpressive in the middle.

If your butcher is struggling to trim the fat off your lamb cutlets adequately,

you don't give him a scalpel and swing him into the neurosurgery ward.

Jesus.

what with this narrative?
 
  • Love
  • Like
Reactions: 1 users

Harry

Tiger Legend
Mar 2, 2003
24,588
12,185
Not sure what's happened to him. It's like his reaction time and fast twitch fibres have really slowed. In his first few games not only was he winning the hard ball, he showed agility, quick movement and quick decision making. Now he goes to ground and is slow to make a decision and execute.
 

eZyT

Tiger Legend
Jun 28, 2019
21,546
26,119
In his first few games not only was he winning the hard ball, he showed agility, quick movement and quick decision making.

Thats not my recollection.

I can recall saying from the outset, a bit like a stuck record,

this side isn't big enough for Graham and Ross.

which suggest Jack Ross never, ever, played, remotely in the fashion you recall.

there is a really weird collective consciousness going on with Ross,

and I cant hate it, because it's positive.

But it fascinates me.

I think its a new kind of cognitive bias?

I'll call it

The fills-a-desperate-need delusion

whereby, you judge whatever is available, as adequate to fill your needs.

It doesn't just apply to footy list management,

you could need a wife, for example, to meet your culinary, intellectual, emotional and physical needs,

and a really quite dumb, menopausal woman who cant cook, or make meaningful connections with other people,

smiles at you in a pub,

and in your mind, she becomes your perfect match.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 users

Carter

Tiger Legend
Nov 14, 2012
9,495
7,849
Thats not my recollection.

I can recall saying from the outset, a bit like a stuck record,

this side isn't big enough for Graham and Ross.

which suggest Jack Ross never, ever, played, remotely in the fashion you recall.

there is a really weird collective consciousness going on with Ross,

and I cant hate it, because it's positive.

But it fascinates me.

I think its a new kind of cognitive bias?

I'll call it

The fills-a-desperate-need delusion

whereby, you judge whatever is available, as adequate to fill your needs.

It doesn't just apply to footy list management,

you could need a wife, for example, to meet your culinary, intellectual, emotional and physical needs,

and a really quite dumb, menopausal woman who cant cook, or make meaningful connections with other people,

smiles at you in a pub,

and in your mind, she becomes your perfect match.

This. Was never convinced of Ross but i appreciate the more positive few that he has tools
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 user

Harry

Tiger Legend
Mar 2, 2003
24,588
12,185
Thats not my recollection.

I can recall saying from the outset, a bit like a stuck record,

this side isn't big enough for Graham and Ross.

which suggest Jack Ross never, ever, played, remotely in the fashion you recall.

there is a really weird collective consciousness going on with Ross,

and I cant hate it, because it's positive.

But it fascinates me.

I think its a new kind of cognitive bias?

I'll call it

The fills-a-desperate-need delusion

whereby, you judge whatever is available, as adequate to fill your needs.

It doesn't just apply to footy list management,

you could need a wife, for example, to meet your culinary, intellectual, emotional and physical needs,

and a really quite dumb, menopausal woman who cant cook, or make meaningful connections with other people,

smiles at you in a pub,

and in your mind, she becomes your perfect match.
yeah nah.

go re-watch his early games
 

eZyT

Tiger Legend
Jun 28, 2019
21,546
26,119
This. Was never convinced of Ross but i appreciate the more positive few that he has tools

yeah, Id much prefer everyone on PRE adopting the positive position,

that an very plodding footballer is the key to our future,

in an odd kind of a Whitney Housten school of footy optimism.

as opposed to saying some star, Sydney Stack for example,

is useless and troubled and bad and no hope of ever being a decent human.
 

St Kevin

Tiger Legend
Apr 1, 2014
7,211
6,222
He is what he is, and that is very vanilla and without enough strings to his bow to compete at AFL level consistently.

His debut game appears to have been the exception, not the rule.
 

eZyT

Tiger Legend
Jun 28, 2019
21,546
26,119
yeah nah.

go re-watch his early games


youre right harry, I took a look, and I clearly stated on debut,

that, although I had had a schooner of rum in the last quarter,

I wouldnt trade him for Rozzee, Dursman AND Butters.

reinforces that a full-disclosure approach to anonymity,

is sound policy.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: 1 users

Harry

Tiger Legend
Mar 2, 2003
24,588
12,185
youre right harry, I took a look, and I clearly stated on debut,

that, although I had had a schooner of rum in the last quarter,

I wouldnt trade him for Rozzee, Dursman AND Butters.

reinforces that a full-disclosure approach to anonymity,

is sound policy.
you don't show that kind of form on debut without the ability. something has gone wrong with him physically, mentally and development wise since then.

I agree - on recent form he's a bush footballer and if I hadn't witnessed his debut form I'd be in the delist camp.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 user

tigersnake

Tear 'em apart
Sep 10, 2003
23,769
12,303
you don't show that kind of form on debut without the ability. something has gone wrong with him physically, mentally and development wise since then.

I agree - on recent form he's a bush footballer and if I hadn't witnessed his debut form I'd be in the delist camp.
Can't? course you can. Head scratching anomolies happen all the time in footy. Players can be flash in the pan, plodders can star in a big game out of the blue, players can be a gun for 50 or 100 games then die in the arse etc etce. all sorts of things can happen.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 users

theglove3

Tiger Champion
Jun 3, 2003
2,591
2,456
He's really slow.
Hasn't been the same since Fyfe deliberately stomped on him.
I would move him on. Not just him.
 

Carter

Tiger Legend
Nov 14, 2012
9,495
7,849
Can't? course you can. Head scratching anomolies happen all the time in footy. Players can be flash in the pan, plodders can star in a big game out of the blue, players can be a gun for 50 or 100 games then die in the arse etc etce. all sorts of things can happen.

I believe the medical term is deanpoloitis
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: 2 users