Save Richmond Plan...again!

[Tigerbob]

We are beyond repair now, thats for sure no more bandade fixes over our gashes, we need to rebuild, start from scratch or near enough.

TRADE
Joel Bowden
Matthew Richardson
Rory Hilton
Kayne Pettifer
Aaron Fiora


Joel Bowden - St.Kilda for their first round draft pick - reason being St.Kilda dont want to get any younger, they might believe Joel Bowden is worth the pick, heres hoping.

Matthew Richardson - Carlton for their first pick and Blake Campbell - reason being they want Richo, its that simple, last year they made a major push for him, this year they can have him, I have seen young Blake play a few times and he plays a similar game to Newman, which would be good thus forcing Newman to play in the midfield.

Rory Hilton - Geelong for Cameron Mooney - why you say? Mooney is a leading forward that we have not had for a long while, he is big, young, strong and can take a mark and doesnt take *smile* from no one, is he the answer? No, but hes a start of a new revamped game plan.

Kayne Pettifer - Melbourne for a second round or third round pick - reason?? Do you need one??

Aaron Fiora - Brisbane for their first round pick - I know for an absolute fact that Brisbane are in love with Aaron, the wanted him more than anyone in his draft but missed out, now we offer him for their first pick which is a late first rounder, a bit of a loss on Aaron but its time to move on, maybe we can get another Cogs with this pick!

IN:
Cameron Mooney
Blake Campbell
(4th?) pick in draft
(2nd?) pick in draft
(17th?) pick in draft
(30th?) pick in draft

I know thats a lot of draft picks when you add in our own picks also but its the way to go, this is not a quick fix this is a start of a new era.

COACHING

Sack Spud, simple as that, no more do we want him, no longer will he be there, thank you for four years, time to go. In his place comes either Gary O'Donnell, Craig Lambert, Mark Harvey or Terry Wallace. We keep Wayne Brittain as our assistant coach but the chosen coach will bring their own support staff, which means goodbye Crocker, Spargo and co..

LEADERSHIP

Mark Coughlan is our Captain from next year on. Brad Ottens and Chris Newman are his deputies.

DELISTINGS/RETIREMENTS

Duncan Kellaway
Leon Cameron
Matthew Rogers
Clinton King
Craig Biddiscombe
Adam Houlihan
Andrew Mills

Write your feedback, whether you want to make any changes, wheter I have been to harsh or too lenient, tell me, but im just pissed off at what is going on down there, and if changes like this are not being made then bugger the club, im sick of it.

Mark Coughlan, Brad Ottens, David Rodan, Andrew Krakouer, Chris Newman, Mark Chaffey are the future of this club, these are the senior players needed now, no more duds needed.

Time for change.

 

[gustiger12]

We are beyond repair now, thats for sure no more bandade fixes over our gashes, we need to rebuild, start from scratch or near enough.

TRADE
Joel Bowden
Matthew Richardson
Rory Hilton
Kayne Pettifer
Aaron Fiora

We cannot trade Richo due to the simple fact that it would cost the club too much. I seriously doubt that Carlton could afford him now.

Joel Bowden - St.Kilda for their first round draft pick - reason being St.Kilda dont want to get any younger, they might believe Joel Bowden is worth the pick, heres hoping.

No real problems here, but I would be using him as bait in a deal for JUDD first if there is any real chance of JUDD coming to Victoria.

Matthew Richardson - Carlton for their first pick and Blake Campbell - reason being they want Richo, its that simple, last year they made a major push for him, this year they can have him, I have seen young Blake play a few times and he plays a similar game to Newman, which would be good thus forcing Newman to play in the midfield.

Do Carlton have any draft picks to trade?????

Rory Hilton - Geelong for Cameron Mooney - why you say? Mooney is a leading forward that we have not had for a long while, he is big, young, strong and can take a mark and doesnt take sh!t from no one, is he the answer? No, but hes a start of a new revamped game plan.

Agree Rory is definitely trade bait, but MOONEY would not even be on my radar screen, he is average at best in my opinion and not the type of player we need. At the moment it wouldn't matter if we had Lloyd, Hird, Lynch and Brown in our forward line the way we deliver it into the forward line and the structure or more importantly the lack of, in our forward line.

Both commentaries I heard tonight were very critical of our insistance of bouncing, baulking and generally hesitating when going forward as opposed to honouring the first lead. I have to agree on this as it allows oppositions sides to structure their defence, while we stop, baulk, look and then bomb.

Kayne Pettifer - Melbourne for a second round or third round pick - reason?? Do you need one??

No but would anyone take him???????? I doubt it at the moment unless they see something we haven't.

Aaron Fiora - Brisbane for their first round pick - I know for an absolute fact that Brisbane are in love with Aaron, the wanted him more than anyone in his draft but missed out, now we offer him for their first pick which is a late first rounder, a bit of a loss on Aaron but its time to move on, maybe we can get another Cogs with this pick!

Like a few on the list I would persist with FIORA unless he wants to go home. I thought it was a big mistake not giving him more responsibility tonight and rotating him through the midfield to see what he has got.

if he wants to go home, then the rumour is that Port are interest and think we could use him as bait for a deal involving someone like Nick STEVENS who allegedly want to return home. Still think FIORA has alot of untapped talent.

COACHING

Sack Spud, simple as that, no more do we want him, no longer will he be there, thank you for four years, time to go. In his place comes either Gary O'Donnell, Craig Lambert, Mark Harvey or Terry Wallace. We keep Wayne Brittain as our assistant coach but the chosen coach will bring their own support staff, which means goodbye Crocker, Spargo and co..

unfortunately this is a bit of a double edged sword here. We all agree that we need to change the list and it is a big ask to bring in a new coach and change the list too. Terry WALLACE is probably the only potential coach who is in a position to make an informed decision on our list as he has had the luxury of being able to sit back in the media and make a critical analysis of things.
Personally I would be going all out to bolster the list with the knowledge that a good, young, exciting list would make Tigerland attractive to a quality coach. If I was looking at it from outside after tonight I would have some serious reservations. I would be concerned that the only applicants we would attract would be new comers and there is an inherent risk in appointing another untried senior coach.

LEADERSHIP

Mark Coughlan is our Captain from next year on. Brad Ottens and Chris Newman are his deputies.

Nothing personal here TB, but this is ridiculous. I certainly agree that Cogs is a future leader of the club, but him and Newman are too young to take on this responsibility and it would be irresponsible of the club to ask them to take it on. CAMPBO must remain our leader if he can come up again next year, but would like to see Staff and someone else adopt an official leadership role. Apart from anything else it is difficult for a full back or full forward to provide effective leadership all over the ground.

Mark Coughlan, Brad Ottens, David Rodan, Andrew Krakouer, Chris Newman, Mark Chaffey are the future of this club, these are the senior players needed now, no more duds needed.

No argument from me here TB

Keep up the good work. No doubt this post will attract some constructive and not so constructive argument, but redardless of what anyone thinks it is a good thought provoking post.

 

[Harry]

Agree Bob - however Carlton don't have any high draft picks - Trade him to the dogs for pick one. I would look to just trade for draft picks, period. The main ingredient is a new coach that can develop them. O'Donnell, Lambert, Harvey, T.Daniher, Wallace, Eade, etc are all waiting for a senior position. Its *smile* that none of them would'nt want to coach us.

How embarassing would it be when the Hawks get rid of Schwab after 4 years at the club as he hasn't delivered and we persist with Fraudly. ;D

 

[Rosy]

Nothing personal here TB, but this is ridiculous. I certainly agree that Cogs is a future leader of the club, but him and Newman are too young to take on this responsibility and it would be irresponsible of the club to ask them to take it on.

Cousins, Carey, Hird were all captains at a young age (under21?), and are some of the most successful captains. I say bring in the youth to lead the club into a new era.
There's no set age. Maturity, respect of fellow team mates, a good work ethic etc are what's relevant.
Despite what a couple on here say there is still a bit of baggage with Campbo, and now he's had a few years with no success I think it's time to move on and give someone else a go, especially seeing he has missed so many games this year.
We need a captain out on the ground. If not Cogs then I'd go for the fresh blood into the club in Johnson or Stafford. From the old brigade I'd vote for Chaff.
Whichever one, it's time for change.

 

[Harry]

agree Rosy - must be Coughlan. Campbells body won't allow him to play many more games however.

If RFC have the balls to give cogs the captaincy, get a new exciting coach and recruit a heap of youngsters then members will jump on board. All is not lost if the right moves are made.

 

[JohnF]

This is obviously biased because I am the biggest Cambo fan but I think Cambo has done a fantastic job as a leader at the club. No one comes close to showing his leadership and footy smarts at the club.

Coughlan is obviously going to be (if not already) an elite player in the competition and his endevour to get the ball is second to none. However I don't think he has the ability to organise the team and see what is going on around him in as clear a light as Cambo does.

If injuries get the better of Cambo and he never makes it back for a serious run, then I agree that the captaincy should obviously be changed. But I think he should be given a chance to comeback and show what he has left before we put him in the waste bin. Even after injuring his calf Cambo showed that he has still got it, and IMO if fully fit is still our best player.

I don't see what the rationale would be in giving it the captaincy to Johnson as he is injured more times than Cambo is. The only likely candidate as I see it is Chaffey. Coughlan is still a bit green as far as leadership goes. Will be ready for it in a couple years though.

I find it a bit funny how some are quick to jump off the Cambo bandwagon as soon as he gets an injury. You people would probably have demoted James Hird after the 2001 season as he has done nothing but get injured since then.

Why don't we demote Darren Gaspar while we are at it. He's had a knee reco, injuries are clearly getting the better of him. Oh and lets axe Richo, he has done nothing but get injured his whole career. Duncan should have been delisted 3 years ago as well. Has been nothing but an injury rabble lately.

 

[gustiger12]

Cousins, Carey, Hird were all captains at a young age (under21?), and are some of the most successful captains. I say bring in the youth to lead the club into a new era.
There's no set age. Maturity, respect of fellow team mates, a good work ethic etc are what's relevant.

Rosy not arguing the age point here BUT Cogs has now played 36 AFL games. I know that sounds hard to believe. All of the above had much more games under their belt than that when made Captain.

BUT more importantly with all the others is that they took in the role at clubs where there was stability, leadership, experience, a solid off field leadership and onfield support to draw upon. Most of these people inherited their leadership roles during periods of sustained success and stability apart from maybe Cousins. All had come through clubs with vastly superior development records than ours.

I just think that it would be very unfair to expect someone like Cogs or Newmo to take this on with the state of play at the moment.

Would be just a little concerned that it might hinder their development at players by placing undue pressure on them. Lets face it I would not like to be asked to take on the role at the moment as there is obviously more going on behind the scenes than we are being told.

Maybe after another full season Cogs will be ready to step into the role. I would just like to see a bit more stable environment to provide the support base for him before he was thrown into that sort of leadership role.

I maybe wrong, bit maybe all they need to go to the next level, but I would hate to see the kids go backwards because they have inherited and you know what sandwich.

 

[gustiger12]

Personally I would not write Johnson out of the equation.

Sure he is only knew at the club, but that could be a good thing. No baggage so to speak.

He comes from a very successful club, was there under very successful coaches, and has played in two premierships, so knows what it takes.

Is reputed to have a very good work ethic on the track and more and mostly importantly has the interests of the RFC at heart.

That in my opinion is a lot of experience to pass up.

There is one essential element that is very hard to judge from afar and that is the respect of the players.

Like JohnF I think that Campbo should carry the mantle for another year, but we need to review the VC and DVC over the summer.

 

[g0tigers]

I agree with Gus - Would persist with Fiora.

Would send bowdo to the Doggies - with his brother.

no one more then me would love to see richardson go but as someone said - would cost as way to much.

Rosy is right, there is no set age for captain, and at the moment i think cogs is showing maturity beyond his years. Would love to see some young fresh blood take over.

Was wondering what ppl think of Steven Armstrong from the dees? I think he would be a good player with some experiance? Maybe possible trade with someone like Pettifer.

 

[the claw]

AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT YOU SAY TIGER BOB BUT WE DONT WANT MOONEY HE CANT GET HIS HANDS ON THE FOOTY ENOUGH THERES PROBABABLY ANOTHER 5OR6 DELISTABLE AND I WOULD HAVE PUT BEN HOLLAND DOWN AS A TRADE HES BLOODY USELESS

 

[the claw]

agree Rosy - must be Coughlan. Campbells body won't allow him to play many more games however.

If RFC have the balls to give cogs the captaincy, get a new exciting coach and recruit a heap of youngsters then members will jump on board. All is not lost if the right moves are made.

YOUR RIGHT HARRY IF THE ABOVE HAPPRNS THEN ILL RENEW BUT IF IT DOESNT I DONT THINK I WILL

 

[mightytiges]

Joel Bowden - St.Kilda for their first round draft pick - reason being St.Kilda dont want to get any younger, they might believe Joel Bowden is worth the pick, heres hoping.

If we are serious about giving up a considered "top 6" player then agree Joel would be top of the list.

- With Burke and possibly Harvey retiring you would expect St Kilda will be looking for midfielders.
- Carlton you'd reckon would be looking to add some experience to their line-up. They could be tempted now that Ratten has retired. The blues will get a priority pick if they finish with less than six wins. They lost their actual first pick (and maybe their second from memory) due to the salary cap scandal.
- Could chuck in Melbourne as well as they gave up Woewodin and Powell last summer although they may be looking for a KP defender instead.

Matthew Richardson - Carlton for their first pick and Blake Campbell - reason being they want Richo, its that simple, last year they made a major push for him, this year they can have him, I have seen young Blake play a few times and he plays a similar game to Newman, which would be good thus forcing Newman to play in the midfield.

Richo will still have 2 years to go on his contract so I'm doubtful any club would be willing to take him now given he'll be 29 next year and the $$$ he's on. They would have to take over the contract. I'm also still not sure how the new "Heffernan" rule works whereby a player can't be traded within the first year of signing a new contract as Deano has mentioned a few times.

Rory Hilton - Geelong for Cameron Mooney - why you say? Mooney is a leading forward that we have not had for a long while, he is big, young, strong and can take a mark and doesnt take sh!t from no one, is he the answer? No, but hes a start of a new revamped game plan.

Rory's trade value is zero especially now he has dodgy shoulders. Delist.
As for Mooney - Pass. Fringe player = no way.

Kayne Pettifer - Melbourne for a second round or third round pick - reason?? Do you need one??

No trade value whatsoever. Delist. Another club might pick him up in the pre-season draft if they think they can do something with a former first round draftee.

Aaron Fiora - Brisbane for their first round pick - I know for an absolute fact that Brisbane are in love with Aaron, the wanted him more than anyone in his draft but missed out, now we offer him for their first pick which is a late first rounder, a bit of a loss on Aaron but its time to move on, maybe we can get another Cogs with this pick!

No club would give up their first round pick just for Fiora. Port or Adelaide might offer their late second or third rounder at best. If the draft isn't that deep as has been mentioned then that's of no value to us.
Since the system only allows for so many delistings, trades and new draftees I would guess Aaron would stay.

IN:
Cameron Mooney
Blake Campbell
(4th?) pick in draft
(2nd?) pick in draft
(17th?) pick in draft
(30th?) pick in draft

I know thats a lot of draft picks when you add in our own picks also but its the way to go, this is not a quick fix this is a start of a new era.

I agree with your thinking tigerbob. To rebuild we need as many first round picks as possible and preferably within picks 1-5.

COACHING

Sack Spud, simple as that, no more do we want him, no longer will he be there, thank you for four years, time to go. In his place comes either Gary O'Donnell, Craig Lambert, Mark Harvey or Terry Wallace. We keep Wayne Brittain as our assistant coach but the chosen coach will bring their own support staff, which means goodbye Crocker, Spargo and co..

I would rather Danny quit than sack him. If he's honest with himself then he'll leave at the end of the season. He's honest and gives 100% but he has failed at installing any sign of a team structure or a modern game plan.
I would think if Danny goes so will the others (excluding Miller of course and perhaps Hutchison). A new coach would want to bring in his own team.

LEADERSHIP

Mark Coughlan is our Captain from next year on. Brad Ottens and Chris Newman are his deputies.

Agree tigerbob. We need a changing of the guard at Richmond. The senior group of the past 7 years has had their time. Cambo although unfairly lobbed in with his peers of a similar age is part of that era and will be 31 next year. Cogs will be 22 and as rosy said it's more a case of maturity, respect of your teammates and showing how it's done on and off the field that's important. Pretty sure Carey took over a similar age.

DELISTINGS/RETIREMENTS

Duncan Kellaway
Leon Cameron
Matthew Rogers
Clinton King
Craig Biddiscombe
Adam Houlihan
Andrew Mills

Rogers should go but is still contracted for one more year.
Vardy should go also but will stay as we have no back-up talls as it is.
Would add Hilton, Pettifer and Hyde to that list.

im just p!ssed off at what is going on down there, and if changes like this are not being made then bugger the club, im sick of it.

Aren't we all!

Mark Coughlan, Brad Ottens, David Rodan, Andrew Krakouer, Chris Newman, Mark Chaffey are the future of this club, these are the senior players needed now, no more duds needed.

Would add Johnson and Zantuck to that list.
AK and Stafford don't deserve any scorn either.

Time for change.

Forgot one, tigerbob:

Greg Beck - 8 years as head of our recruiting.