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If its bad, do what I and heaps of others do. Turn right, go down the back streets parallel with Murumbeena Road, turn left when you get eqi-distant with the intersection and avoid the bank up. You might get a good run given a lot of people leave work early on a Friday.

Having said that, there's probably worse intersections and roads. Bourke Road comes to mind.
The old snake down Poath Road way! It all funnels out along North Road somewhere.

Love me some Melbourne shortcut chat!
 
Love the way the Government blamed the Auditor General's methods for the reported 11 billion blowout.

Again, not their mistakes. Not their issue. Just dismiss any information that doesn't fit their agenda.

Blame everyone but themselves. Every day there's a laughable incident that comes out.
IMO it's a bit of both Scoop.

In my experience there are two basis rules with costings on major projects done by government

1. Never believe the budget because it is being done to fit a funding envelope at the time
2. Never believe the AG's dept when they review it because they don't really have the expertise and probably sent a bunch of newly graduated 12 year olds to do the work ( sorry to be an old fart)

My view is that the Government is probably right and wrong at the same time i.e. the AG depts estimates are probably rudimentary and have mistakes but there are definitely blow outs
 
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If he's coming from the north he'll be fine. South on a Friday, at 6.30 plus... not so much as a Thursday at 5.30.

Saturday at 1pm also brutal.
 
Like I said, they must be a fringe extreme element because I haven't seen them anywhere. For you to see them daily can only mean that you're still in some anti-Dan newsgroups or whatever. Who's the obsessed one?

That hashtags has appeared again, supporters pushing again. MAGA lite beer.
 
That hashtags has appeared again, supporters pushing again. MAGA lite beer.

As I said, no doubting there are some extreme fringe dwellers still doing that, I just don't see them in the mainstream sm feeds. You must follow some interesting people.
 
Must be too much corruption to sweep under the carpet this time.


It's a tough one. I would think that everyone with any sense would want this corruption weeded out and the CFMEU, which is a stain on the Trade union movement, cleaned up once and for all.

The question is how all this is connected to the ALP itself and how much was known by the Government and ministers? Personally I don't know but I have had the view for a long time that the Trade union movement has too many "bad apples", that there is too much corruption and self interest and that much of it has lost its way. There are those on this site who disagree with this but to me you only have to look at union membership to see how the union movement has lost support and imo much of it their own fault.

The problem I see is that if a LNP government tackles it they do it with a brick and actually attack the rights of trade unions to exist and of workers ( see work choices). The fact is that the Liberal founder himself in Menzies was a great believer in Trade Unions and the rights of workers, something that the Liberal party of today has forgotten. To me the best party to attack this is the ALP itself but when around 2/3 of your income comes from unions and many unions control factions and nominations for seats at elections it is almost impossible for them to do it.
 
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It's a tough one. I would think that everyone with any sense would want this corruption weeded out and the CFMEU, which is a stain on the Trade union movement, cleaned up once and for all.

The question is how all this is connected to the ALP itself and how much was known by the Government and ministers? Personally I don't know but I have had the view for a long time that the Trade union movement has too many "bad apples", that there is too much corruption and self interest and that much of it has lost its way. There are those on this site who disagree with this but to me you only have to look at union membership to see how the union movement has lost support and imo much of it their own fault.

The problem I see is that if a LNP government tackles it they do it with a brick and actually attack the rights of trade unions to exist and of workers ( see work choices). The fact is that the Liberal founder himself in Menzies was a great believer in Trade Unions and the rights of workers, something that the Liberal party of today has forgotten. To me the best party to attack this is the ALP itself but when around 2/3 of your income comes from unions and many unions control factions and nominations for seats at elections it is almost impossible for them to do it.
But if they don’t do anything about it they are happy for corruption to occur, to fund election campaigns at a cost to all Victorians.
 
But if they don’t do anything about it they are happy for corruption to occur, to fund election campaigns at a cost to all Victorians.
Not sure I understand what point you are trying to make? What’s it got to do with funding election campaigns?

FWIW i believe the ALP should do something about it but I’m not confident they actually will.
 
Not sure I understand what point you are trying to make? What’s it got to do with funding election campaigns?

FWIW i believe the ALP should do something about it but I’m not confident they actually will.
The unions are their masters as they fund their election campaigns.
 
More like the unions are captives of the ALP who milk them for money.

Plenty of unions not affiliated too.

Corruption in the construction industry? Who'd have thought, bet it doesn't happen in any other state or country.

The profit share of income rising, mark-ups rising, work more precarious, wealth inequality rising - all happening while unions have been attacked and weakened. No coincidence.

Let me tell you, there are plenty, I'd say a big majority of those in high union positions, who can't stand the CFMEU and the way they operate. It is not so simple to deal with them given the mates they have. The construction industry needs to be sorted, CFMEU and the dodgy employers.

DS
 
Dont worry, if Dutton wins he will disband the CMFEU, and give any contracts they are involved in to 2man companies based on Kangaroo Island.
 
Classic. State Gov caught in corruption with biggest union supporter and we get "happens everywhere" and "Dutton would do worse" instead of acknowledging how bad it is. Tax payers rorted here like nowhere else.
 
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It's a tough one. I would think that everyone with any sense would want this corruption weeded out and the CFMEU, which is a stain on the Trade union movement, cleaned up once and for all.

The question is how all this is connected to the ALP itself and how much was known by the Government and ministers? Personally I don't know but I have had the view for a long time that the Trade union movement has too many "bad apples", that there is too much corruption and self interest and that much of it has lost its way. There are those on this site who disagree with this but to me you only have to look at union membership to see how the union movement has lost support and imo much of it their own fault.

The problem I see is that if a LNP government tackles it they do it with a brick and actually attack the rights of trade unions to exist and of workers ( see work choices). The fact is that the Liberal founder himself in Menzies was a great believer in Trade Unions and the rights of workers, something that the Liberal party of today has forgotten. To me the best party to attack this is the ALP itself but when around 2/3 of your income comes from unions and many unions control factions and nominations for seats at elections it is almost impossible for them to do it.

I think people have short memories.

Tony Abbot launched an ideologically based witch hunt Royal Commission into so-called “union corruption” that found zero corruption.

Let me repeat that… They found zero corruption.

Sure, 10 or so years have passed since and I’m not suggesting there aren’t issues with the CFMEU. Labor has distanced themselves from them and not taking donations from them after all.

But I will die on this hill by saying this… For every dodgy unionist, there are 100 dodgy businessmen. Unions are not the problem. Neoliberalism is.
 
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