State Government

[22nd Man]

Good article and some real truth bombs in this one.

"However, when measuring crime on a per capita basis, Melbourne’s crime rate is actually lower today (18,097 per 100,000) compared to 2017 (18,334 per 100,000)."

Is Melbourne really the ‘crime capital of Australia’?

Sussan Ley recently declared Melbourne the ‘crime capital of Australia’. But a closer analysis of the data shows a much more nuanced picture.

theconversation.com

I think it’s the type of crime that has people rightfully concerned.
It’s one thing to come home from work and find your car missing from the station car park.
It’s quite another to have car thieves brisk into your house at 3am to get your keys to steal your car.

You could guarantee a blue at certain pubs any day of the week, but you could go shopping with your mother and never see a machete wielded.

 

[22nd Man]

Don’t let sport and music that have always been the heartbeat of a once great city hide what actually goes on everyday.

It’s a daily occurrence. The music and concerts are the exceptions.

One thing I’ve noticed is how the state government spokeswomen and ministers are trying to claim these events as their making. As if cricket wasn’t popular or touring acts never came to Melbourne pre 2014.

 

[Sintiger]

The crime problem is that bad in Melbourne according to a few on here.

They why did the Premier just do a mea-culpa on channel seven?

The polls must be showing how bad the issue is swaying voters.

And seeing polls on twitter with Brad Battin as preferred premier by 10 points but the libs cannot get closer in the two party preferred voting. Shambles all round.

There is no doubt we have crime issues in this state but to me it is this narrative that somehow this is a Victorian problem and all because of the state government that is inaccurate and shallow.
I have just come back from a trip where I was in 4 states and people in all of them are talking about increases in crime. It is an issue everywhere.
Governments certainly have a responsibility and can do some things to make it better but the issue of crime in our society is way bigger than which government we have.

 

[22nd Man]

For those lauding the success of the machete bins… looking at you Premier Allan…. my unfortunate way of thinking is that the number handed in can be counted but how many machetes are there in the community?
As another poster says per capita stats are important.

So Premier what % of the states illegally possessed machetes are in your bins so far?

 

[22nd Man]

There is no doubt we have crime issues in this state but to me it is this narrative that somehow this is a Victorian problem and all because of the state government that is inaccurate and shallow.
I have just come back from a trip where I was in 4 states and people in all of them are talking about increases in crime. It is an issue everywhere.
Governments certainly have a responsibility and can do some things to make it better but the issue of crime in our society is way bigger than which government we have.

But only a government can begin to address them. Whatever type we have.

 

[Sintiger]

But only a government can begin to address them. Whatever type we have.

yes I agree if you include issues of disadvantage and inequity as part of what governments can address, which they are.

I was meaning more that policy differences in state governments can address crime rates to some extent, but why there is so much crime is way bigger than just those policy differences.

I was involved last year in an organisation in regional Victoria dealing with things like family violence. It is going through the roof and is in an area which is experiencing a lot of social and economic disadvantage, spiralling alcohol and drug use and hopelessness. Mental health issues have exploded etc. The point I am making is that these issues are much bigger than tightening bail laws and tougher sentencing.

 

[RoarEmotion]

I was involved last year in an organisation in regional Victoria dealing with things like family violence. It is going through the roof and is in an area which is experiencing a lot of social and economic disadvantage, spiralling alcohol and drug use and hopelessness. Mental health issues have exploded etc. The point I am making is that these issues are much bigger than tightening bail laws and tougher sentencing.

i'd imagine there is a strong link between cost of living and crime. cheap energy destruction (coal Fossil fuel closure with massive infrastructure investment to enable wind/solar connectivity) and uncontrolled immigration driving up rental/house prices the main culprits to me. all this feeds food prices too (labor/fertiliser (which is natural gas derivative)/land) which have just so noticeably increased (i mean $8 when i bought a pie at a bakery). Obviously reversing course on this has other consequences people don't want to entertain either.

very hard (and i think disengenuous) to be black and white on these things

 

[Sintiger]

This report detailed in the Age yesterday on increasing violence against staff in public hospitals is shocking. It is completely unacceptable that healthcare workers should be in danger just doing their jobs.
By the way this is an issue right across Australia

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...s-for-doctors-and-nurses-20251105-p5n7zc.html

 

[Sintiger]

i'd imagine there is a strong link between cost of living and crime. cheap energy destruction (coal Fossil fuel closure with massive infrastructure investment to enable wind/solar connectivity) and uncontrolled immigration driving up rental/house prices the main culprits to me. all this feeds food prices too (labor/fertiliser (which is natural gas derivative)/land) which have just so noticeably increased (i mean $8 when i bought a pie at a bakery). Obviously reversing course on this has other consequences people don't want to entertain either.

very hard (and i think disengenuous) to be black and white on these things

It was in Gippsland where I was involved. There are many issues there but the closure of the power stations was a double whammy for many. Not only are they losing their jobs but their properties are now worth very little so they can't move.

 

[Ian4]

There is no doubt we have crime issues in this state but to me it is this narrative that somehow this is a Victorian problem and all because of the state government that is inaccurate and shallow.
I have just come back from a trip where I was in 4 states and people in all of them are talking about increases in crime. It is an issue everywhere.
Governments certainly have a responsibility and can do some things to make it better but the issue of crime in our society is way bigger than which government we have.

I'm sure I posted this recently, but I have a mate who lives in Sydney who tells me there are shootings daily. organised crime paying 15 year old kids to commit crimes. It's basically the same thing as what is going here, accept the choice of weapon here are machetes.

But have you heard what is going on in Sydney? I haven't. There is seems to be an unhealthy obsession with everything Melbourne in the national media. You just need to jump on social media for 10 minutes to see every man and his dog on Melbourne. The obsession is nuts.

Yet we continue to be the most liveable city with the best lifestyle and the best restaurants and best nightlife and best sports, etc, etc. The Swan St precinct was pumping again last Saturday night, despite the shocking weather.

 

[Sintiger]

I'm sure I posted this recently, but I have a mate who lives in Sydney who tells me there are shootings daily. organised crime paying 15 year old kids to commit crimes. It's basically the same thing as what is going here, accept the choice of weapon here are machetes.

But have you heard what is going on in Sydney? I haven't. There is seems to be an unhealthy obsession with everything Melbourne in the national media. You just need to jump on social media for 10 minutes to see every man and his dog on Melbourne. The obsession is nuts.

Yet we continue to be the most liveable city with the best lifestyle and the best restaurants and best nightlife and best sports, etc, etc. The Swan St precinct was pumping again last Saturday night, despite the shocking weather.

Yeah no doubt that’s all true but we still have an issue with crime.
The LNP have latched onto it here but there are reports of frustration with Battin that he is obsessed (ex cop) rather than also talking about other issues as well. He is sticking to what he is comfortable with.

 

[Scoop]

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www.skynews.com.au

 

[IanG]

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www.skynews.com.au

Skynews is not a credible source!

 

[RoarEmotion]

Skynews is not a credible source!

Does the age work?

Victoria ranked as worst state for doing business – again

High taxes and red tape have contributed to the state’s lowly position in the Business Council of Australia rankings, but one tech entrepreneur has leapt to Victoria’s defence.

www.theage.com.au

I’m in gas. Victoria is horrible to do anything in but not quite as bad as New Zealand. SA is crazy good. Was not a surprise to me to see this stuff.

Breaking the criminal unions would be useful.

 

[Scoop]

Skynews is not a credible source!

You proved my point perfectly, it was the first free article of five.

Victoria ranked worst place in the nation to do business. Again

The Business Council of Australia’s annual comparison of states and territories cites high taxes and red tape as sticking points.

www.afr.com

Victoria has again been ranked the worst jurisdiction in the country to do business, prompting warnings the Allan government’s high taxes and onerous red tape is stifling growth and driving investment from the state.
The Business Council of Australia’s latest Regulation Rumble report ranked South Australia in first place and Victoria in eighth overall, citing its “uncompetitive” payroll tax rates and thresholds; high land tax and stamp duty rates for landowners; and onerous regulation to start a new business.

“Victoria is at the back of the pack for business tax and regulatory settings,” BCA chief executive Bran Black said. “This approach drags down businesses and drives investment from the state. Businesses in Victoria are crying out for policy commitments to cut regulation and tax that support private sector-led economic growth.”


Can’t wait to hear how the Business Council of Australia isn’t credible.

 

[IanG]

You proved my point perfectly, it was the first free article of five.

Proved what point, I very rarely get involved in these debates any more cause its not worth it (you'll note I'm not Ian4). And at the time of posting you only posted Sky News. Posting a range of sources is obviously much better and more credible, good job.

 

[Scoop]

Proved what point, I very rarely get involved in these debates any more cause its not worth it (you'll note I'm not Ian4). And at the time of posting you only posted Sky News. Posting a range of source is obviously much better than more credible, good job.

I know the different Ian’s despite similar leanings. The point and messaging remains the same. Bad for business.

 

[Ian4]

Can’t wait to hear how the Business Council of Australia isn’t credible.

Can’t wait to hear how the ABS isn’t credible.

 

[RoarEmotion]

Can’t wait to hear how the ABS isn’t credible.

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What is the data?

Does this just reflect Victoria has borrowed shitloads of money and reflects both public and private investment?

Would like to see just private figures only if that isn’t what this is.

 

[Brodders17]

You proved my point perfectly, it was the first free article of five.

Victoria ranked worst place in the nation to do business. Again

The Business Council of Australia’s annual comparison of states and territories cites high taxes and red tape as sticking points.

www.afr.com

Victoria has again been ranked the worst jurisdiction in the country to do business, prompting warnings the Allan government’s high taxes and onerous red tape is stifling growth and driving investment from the state.
The Business Council of Australia’s latest Regulation Rumble report ranked South Australia in first place and Victoria in eighth overall, citing its “uncompetitive” payroll tax rates and thresholds; high land tax and stamp duty rates for landowners; and onerous regulation to start a new business.

“Victoria is at the back of the pack for business tax and regulatory settings,” BCA chief executive Bran Black said. “This approach drags down businesses and drives investment from the state. Businesses in Victoria are crying out for policy commitments to cut regulation and tax that support private sector-led economic growth.”


Can’t wait to hear how the Business Council of Australia isn’t credible.

The business council wants as many blocks to business removed as possible. Things like planning laws, environmental laws, employee protections, taxes etc,etc.
They aren't MAGA right, but their rankings are 1 view.