They need to be moderate. It's where new votes might come from. They'll get the right vote regardleess. One Nation isn't going to preference Labor over Liberal
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True but therein lies the conundrum.
They have the reality of the electorate dictating their direction on one hand and the troglodytes in the party machine and media telling them to do the exact opposite.
The troglodytes will still preference Libs over Labor even if they give their primary to One Nation or the like, so they won't lose them. But if they can gain some Labor voters who are done with Andrews/Allen then it's worth it. And having just listened to her speak, she'll certainly appeal to some of them, particularly mother's with young kids
I know people would probably prefer to talk about the farcical situation that the Liberal Party is in, but I wanna move on to a different subject... And that's the new laws introduced by the Allan government last week. I'm surprised no one here has raised it, so I will.
Firstly, strengthening laws to make organised crime responsible/more accountable for this juvenile offending is very welcome and good legislation. Something I have been saying for a while.
However, the old "adult time for adult crime" mantra is nothing short of sickening.
The data tells us that ALL juvenile offenders are victims of crime themselves before they actually commit their own crimes.
2 in 5 kids are exposed to domestic violence in the household. 1 in 3 are victims of DV. 1 in 4 are victims of sexual abuse. These are horrific numbers and shameful.
Jailing them all isn't the answer. The answer is more funds being spent on early intervention programs. It's also more cost effective than reopening youth prisons.
These laws are also inherently racist. 60% of kids in juvenile detention are indigenous. Immigrants are also overrepresented.
And these law changes were announced about a week after the Treaty passed state parliament. It's pretty disgusting timing.
One of the biggest reasons why I've been a strong supporter of this Victorian government (apart from on ideological grounds), is because of their continued ability to beat the Right Wing Media by pretending they don’t exist.
But this time they have listened to all of the dog whistling and taken the bait. I think Labor saw what happened in Queensland and reacted. Daniel Andrews wouldn’t have fallen for this. Not in a million years.
And of course, the one guy in the opposition whose strength was law and order has now been pushed.
Kos Samaras came out with Data recently stating that over 50% of One Nation Voters preference Labor over the Liberals nationally. It sounds nuts, but he's the expert... To me, that just supports what i've always thought of One nation voters... that they are as dumb as dog
Firstly, strengthening laws to make organised crime responsible/more accountable for this juvenile offending is very welcome and good legislation. Something I have been saying for a while.
However, the old "adult time for adult crime" mantra is nothing short of sickening.
The data tells us that ALL juvenile offenders are victims of crime themselves before they actually commit their own crimes.
2 in 5 kids are exposed to domestic violence in the household. 1 in 3 are victims of DV. 1 in 4 are victims of sexual abuse. These are horrific numbers and shameful.
Jailing them all isn't the answer. The answer is more funds being spent on early intervention programs. It's also more cost effective than reopening youth prisons.
These laws are also inherently racist. 60% of kids in juvenile detention are indigenous. Immigrants are also overrepresented.
And these law changes were announced about a week after the Treaty passed state parliament. It's pretty disgusting timing.
One of the biggest reasons why I've been a strong supporter of this Victorian government (apart from on ideological grounds), is because of their continued ability to beat the Right Wing Media by pretending they don’t exist.
But this time they have listened to all of the dog whistling and taken the bait. I think Labor saw what happened in Queensland and reacted. Daniel Andrews wouldn’t have fallen for this. Not in a million years.
And of course, the one guy in the opposition whose strength was law and order has now been pushed.
Kos Samaras came out with Data recently stating that over 50% of One Nation Voters preference Labor over the Liberals nationally. It sounds nuts, but he's the expert... To me, that just supports what i've always thought of One nation voters... that they are as dumb as dog
The husband of the new opposition leader is a homophobe.
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Liberal candidate stood down over homophobic tweets
Victorian Liberal candidate Aaron Lane has been asked to stand down over a series of crude comments he made on social media.
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Just had a 2014 article from the ABC sitting there did you Bin Man. Was he even her husband then?The husband of the new opposition leader is a homophobe.
Liberal candidate stood down over homophobic tweets
Victorian Liberal candidate Aaron Lane has been asked to stand down over a series of crude comments he made on social media.
Best you don't go on a building site. Your CMFEU mates aren't exactly enlightened in their views on the subject either
We will see over time how the electorate reacts to her when they get to know her better
She’s not even in the job a few hours and you start the witch hunt.The husband of the new opposition leader is a homophobe.
Liberal candidate stood down over homophobic tweets
Victorian Liberal candidate Aaron Lane has been asked to stand down over a series of crude comments he made on social media.
If the media dragged out an 11 year old story about a Labor pollies partner you'd be squealing about the MSM or Murdoch picking on Labor.
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The VIC Libs are trying to portray themselves as moderates externally. We all know VIC is the most progressive state in Australia and that is the only the way to win us over.
But internally, they are far from being moderate. Battin was involved in the Bike Boy conspiracy. Not only was Jesse Wilson’s husband outed as a homophobe back in the day, they were both involved with the loony IPA.
The IPA is a hard right pro-fossil fuel think tank funded by the fossil full industry (Mainly Gina). Not moderate in the slightest.
I have also heard that Pentecostal nutter Nicole Werner played a big part in knifing Battin. So what role did Wilson promise Werner? She cannot be allowed in the shadow ministry under any circumstances.
And of course, they have retained the old conservative dinosaur Bev McArthur in the upper house.
Anyway, it was not my intention to start a witch hunt. I’m just pointing out that they are not moderates.
Looking at it the other way, maybe they think having a 35 year old female would get the attention of younger voters. Not the worst strategy, I guess. But after their federal counterparts dumped Net Zero last week, that horse has already bolted.
I think her portrayal of herself as a "small l " Liberal is not really consistent with her background, certainly it isn't the way anyone would describe people with deep ties to the IPA. What we don't know is how much of that has changed over the last 8-9 years and now she is close to Frydenberg and James Patterson both who are described as moderates. If they are moderates then the definition of moderate has changed over the years
They got you nice & stressed yesterday, didn't they. They're more moderate than Chairman Dan & his replacement
Not stressed at all, but I am pretty disgusted at last week's reactive policy over youth crime.
11 years of the Andrews/Allan Government and I cannot think of a worse policy than that one.
Yes, I would be more concerned with links to the IPA than tweets/texts from her husband over 10 years ago.
Sure, as is Tim Wilson which is just ludicrous from the media.
Tim Wilson is pro-Net Zero but also a member of the IPA. Not sure how that works tbh. He's also a married gay man as we know and - according to the "they vote for us" website - has done nothing to stand up for Trans peoples rights
Did nothing to stand up for gay rights either, when the Libs were in power and would only approve gay marriage after a plebicite he voted against gay marriage.
Tim Wilson is a member of the Mont Pelerin Society, nothing moderate about that bunch of nutcases.
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Ultimately Tim Wilson is a member of the Tim Wilson society.
His “moderate” tag is a veneer. Have a look underneath and you find the real Timmy.