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Still giving us nothing...'cept Cups and Medals

Jonesracing82

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Hinkley's job is on the line as well. They'd just about have to win the flag for him to keep his job.
Especially with kochie at the hem & we all know he loves being the news.

FWIW i have the Bombers crashing out of the 8 this yr, after all they only had 2 wins v top 8 sides last yr & are starting behind the 8 ball with injuries without any decent depth...
 
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Jonesracing82

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They were highly amusing. They’ll win because they’re doing everything possible. I guess the other 17 teams are just not bothering to try too hard this year, eh Ken?
I guess the others don't "really want to win the flag this yr" either....
 
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Jonesracing82

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Still reckon the first Port game was the one that won us the flag more than any other last year.
We were 1-2, coming off two shellackings, interstate, and it was the only game we played last year without any of Cotchin, Martin, Riewoldt and Rance.
1-3 would have been hard to come back from.
Even if every other result remained the same, a loss of just 20-odd points would have seen us fifth and West Coast in the four.

That loss must have been pretty hard for them to explain internally.
Had the feeling at the time that win would be the one we look back on & it was indeed. i am not into betting but we were paying well over $3 to win the game.
 
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zgod

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Our recent rise from 13th to powerhouse has given the poor clubs a false sense of optimism. Bless them.
They fail to realise that we were presenting for 3 years with one bad year before. People forget we were a bees dick from top 4 in 2015
 
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zippadeee

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They fail to realise that we were presenting for 3 years with one bad year before. People forget we were a bees dick from top 4 in 2015
Anything we accomplish is always down played.
When hawthorn beat 3 interstate sides to win 3 a row, nothing was mentioned about home state/ground advantage.
They didn't change any part of the game after there 3 flags.
We win one, the sooking started.
MCG advantage. 6-6-6.
We shouldn't be allowed to recruit lynch.
But when hawthorn recruited Lake, Mitchell, Gunstan, McEvoy, Bygyoune, Omeara and Frawley.. dead silence.
 
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Ian4

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Anything we accomplish is always down played.
When hawthorn beat 3 interstate sides to win 3 a row, nothing was mentioned about home state/ground advantage.
They didn't change any part of the game after there 3 flags.
We win one, the sooking started.
MCG advantage. 6-6-6.
We shouldn't be allowed to recruit lynch.
But when hawthorn recruited Lake, Mitchell, Gunstan, McEvoy, Bygyoune, Omeara and Frawley.. dead silence.
good post. what’s more is that Hawthorn won their flags during the period of expansion and compromised drafts. It made it harder for teams to reach the summit and extended Hawthorn's reign at the top. Their 3-peat is the least deserved in history. It doesn’t come close to Brisbane's, but even their era was a little bit tainted with salary cap concessions. Its puts into perspective how good our last 3 years have been.
 
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Baloo

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We've won 2 out of the last 3 Grand Finals. Who really gives a **** what some bitter ferals think, or try to think.
 
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Fighting Fury

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This'll give Zips a heart attack!
Article aso includes the training report that Caesar referred to over on the training thread, but I thought this thread is the most appropriate

Tigers’ superstars just ‘average’
Tom Lynch, equal-third in last year’s Coleman Medal race, has been rated ‘average’
Tom Lynch, equal-third in last year’s Coleman Medal race, has been rated ‘average’
  • By CHRIS CAVANAGH
  • 9:33PM FEBRUARY 13, 2020
Richmond forward Tom Lynch, captain Trent Cotchin and two-time premiership-winning defender Dylan Grimes have been rated only “average” players by the AFL’s official number crunchers.
The 2020 AFL Prospectus from Champion Data lists five Tigers players as elite in their positions.
But many other premiership players are rated only “average” or “below average”
Average is defined as players rated in the middle 30 per cent of all players in the competition to play their position.
Below average is defined as players ranked in the bottom 35 per cent of all players.
In his first season at Richmond last year, Lynch placed equal-third in the Coleman Medal race and went on to finish the campaign with 63 goals, including two in the grand final.
Cotchin, a Brownlow Medal winner in 2012, averaged 19.8 disposals and 4.4 clearances across 14 games to lead the Tigers to a second premiership under his captaincy last year.
Grimes was a 2019 All-Australian defender and lost just 20.7 per cent of one-on-one contests he competed in across the season.

Two-time premiership defenders Nathan Broad and David Astbury, as well as two-time premiership forward Jason Castagna, are all listed as “below average” players by Champion Data.
Sydney Stack, who missed last year’s finals series due to injury, was the top-ranked Tiger after proving his abilities at both ends of the ground last season.
Star Dustin Martin, reigning best-and-fairest winner Dion Prestia and defenders Shane Edwards and Nick Vlastuin were the four others to be rated “elite”.
Players who have featured in fewer than 10 games from 2018-19 — including grand final hero Marlion Pickett — are listed as “unclassified” in the AFL Prospectus.
In a warning for the rest of the competition, the Tigers were missing only three senior players as they completed 35 minutes of match simulation in hot conditions at Punt Rd on Thursday.
Other than ruckman Toby Nankervis (groin), hard nut Jack Graham (shoulder) and rebounding defender Kamdyn McIntosh (ankle), all the big guns were out there with Martin playing about 70 per cent forward.
In the opening passage of play, skipper Cotchin burst out of the centre square and hit the dual Norm Smith Medallist on the chest 30m out. Even goal sneak Jack Higgins, who had a second bout of brain surgery last year, continued his remarkable recovery, completing the whole session largely in the midfield.
Things are looking good for an early return for Higgins.
Pickett showed he has more tricks than a brilliant blind turn, pulling out a wicked sidestep on another darting run down the middle early on in the piece. Looking completely comfortable on the wing and in the centre square, the mature-age revelation looked like a man set to play 20 games in his second season of AFL in 2020. What an incredible story he is, playing in a premiership in his only senior match.
But this year, Pickett seems almost certain to become a regular member of the senior team.
That’s despite the club’s ridiculous depth.
Stack and Shai Bolton both showed flair in the forward half yesterday, while livewire Liam Baker was another who was prominent off half back, seemingly taking up some of the slack from departed flanked Brandon Ellis.
Key defenders David Astbury, Nathan Broad and Grimes had things sorted down back as part of a defence that will be once again missing superstar Alex Rance.
Twin towers Jack Riewoldt and Lynch led the forward set-up alongside Martin, while Ivan Soldo took charge in the ruck as Nankervis completed run-throughs on the sidelines.
Nankervis and Graham are expected to be back in full training in coming weeks.
 

zippadeee

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This'll give Zips a heart attack!
Article aso includes the training report that Caesar referred to over on the training thread, but I thought this thread is the most appropriate

Tigers’ superstars just ‘average’
Tom Lynch, equal-third in last year’s Coleman Medal race, has been rated ‘average’
Tom Lynch, equal-third in last year’s Coleman Medal race, has been rated ‘average’
  • By CHRIS CAVANAGH
  • 9:33PM FEBRUARY 13, 2020
Richmond forward Tom Lynch, captain Trent Cotchin and two-time premiership-winning defender Dylan Grimes have been rated only “average” players by the AFL’s official number crunchers.
The 2020 AFL Prospectus from Champion Data lists five Tigers players as elite in their positions.
But many other premiership players are rated only “average” or “below average”
Average is defined as players rated in the middle 30 per cent of all players in the competition to play their position.
Below average is defined as players ranked in the bottom 35 per cent of all players.
In his first season at Richmond last year, Lynch placed equal-third in the Coleman Medal race and went on to finish the campaign with 63 goals, including two in the grand final.
Cotchin, a Brownlow Medal winner in 2012, averaged 19.8 disposals and 4.4 clearances across 14 games to lead the Tigers to a second premiership under his captaincy last year.
Grimes was a 2019 All-Australian defender and lost just 20.7 per cent of one-on-one contests he competed in across the season.

Two-time premiership defenders Nathan Broad and David Astbury, as well as two-time premiership forward Jason Castagna, are all listed as “below average” players by Champion Data.
Sydney Stack, who missed last year’s finals series due to injury, was the top-ranked Tiger after proving his abilities at both ends of the ground last season.
Star Dustin Martin, reigning best-and-fairest winner Dion Prestia and defenders Shane Edwards and Nick Vlastuin were the four others to be rated “elite”.
Players who have featured in fewer than 10 games from 2018-19 — including grand final hero Marlion Pickett — are listed as “unclassified” in the AFL Prospectus.
In a warning for the rest of the competition, the Tigers were missing only three senior players as they completed 35 minutes of match simulation in hot conditions at Punt Rd on Thursday.
Other than ruckman Toby Nankervis (groin), hard nut Jack Graham (shoulder) and rebounding defender Kamdyn McIntosh (ankle), all the big guns were out there with Martin playing about 70 per cent forward.
In the opening passage of play, skipper Cotchin burst out of the centre square and hit the dual Norm Smith Medallist on the chest 30m out. Even goal sneak Jack Higgins, who had a second bout of brain surgery last year, continued his remarkable recovery, completing the whole session largely in the midfield.
Things are looking good for an early return for Higgins.
Pickett showed he has more tricks than a brilliant blind turn, pulling out a wicked sidestep on another darting run down the middle early on in the piece. Looking completely comfortable on the wing and in the centre square, the mature-age revelation looked like a man set to play 20 games in his second season of AFL in 2020. What an incredible story he is, playing in a premiership in his only senior match.
But this year, Pickett seems almost certain to become a regular member of the senior team.
That’s despite the club’s ridiculous depth.
Stack and Shai Bolton both showed flair in the forward half yesterday, while livewire Liam Baker was another who was prominent off half back, seemingly taking up some of the slack from departed flanked Brandon Ellis.
Key defenders David Astbury, Nathan Broad and Grimes had things sorted down back as part of a defence that will be once again missing superstar Alex Rance.
Twin towers Jack Riewoldt and Lynch led the forward set-up alongside Martin, while Ivan Soldo took charge in the ruck as Nankervis completed run-throughs on the sidelines.
Nankervis and Graham are expected to be back in full training in coming weeks.
Seriously Champion Data is becoming more irrelevant with every new thing they come out with.
After reading champion data rating of Cunnington as ELITE you can't take anything they produce seriously anymore.
Lynch is one level above elite,
Coming off a knee injury, no preseason kicks 60+ goals in this era. Its Elite Plus in my Rating
FLK champion Healy Data.
 
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zippadeee

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This'll give Zips a heart attack!
Article aso includes the training report that Caesar referred to over on the training thread, but I thought this thread is the most appropriate

Tigers’ superstars just ‘average’
Tom Lynch, equal-third in last year’s Coleman Medal race, has been rated ‘average’
Tom Lynch, equal-third in last year’s Coleman Medal race, has been rated ‘average’
  • By CHRIS CAVANAGH
  • 9:33PM FEBRUARY 13, 2020
Richmond forward Tom Lynch, captain Trent Cotchin and two-time premiership-winning defender Dylan Grimes have been rated only “average” players by the AFL’s official number crunchers.
The 2020 AFL Prospectus from Champion Data lists five Tigers players as elite in their positions.
But many other premiership players are rated only “average” or “below average”
Average is defined as players rated in the middle 30 per cent of all players in the competition to play their position.
Below average is defined as players ranked in the bottom 35 per cent of all players.
In his first season at Richmond last year, Lynch placed equal-third in the Coleman Medal race and went on to finish the campaign with 63 goals, including two in the grand final.
Cotchin, a Brownlow Medal winner in 2012, averaged 19.8 disposals and 4.4 clearances across 14 games to lead the Tigers to a second premiership under his captaincy last year.
Grimes was a 2019 All-Australian defender and lost just 20.7 per cent of one-on-one contests he competed in across the season.

Two-time premiership defenders Nathan Broad and David Astbury, as well as two-time premiership forward Jason Castagna, are all listed as “below average” players by Champion Data.
Sydney Stack, who missed last year’s finals series due to injury, was the top-ranked Tiger after proving his abilities at both ends of the ground last season.
Star Dustin Martin, reigning best-and-fairest winner Dion Prestia and defenders Shane Edwards and Nick Vlastuin were the four others to be rated “elite”.
Players who have featured in fewer than 10 games from 2018-19 — including grand final hero Marlion Pickett — are listed as “unclassified” in the AFL Prospectus.
In a warning for the rest of the competition, the Tigers were missing only three senior players as they completed 35 minutes of match simulation in hot conditions at Punt Rd on Thursday.
Other than ruckman Toby Nankervis (groin), hard nut Jack Graham (shoulder) and rebounding defender Kamdyn McIntosh (ankle), all the big guns were out there with Martin playing about 70 per cent forward.
In the opening passage of play, skipper Cotchin burst out of the centre square and hit the dual Norm Smith Medallist on the chest 30m out. Even goal sneak Jack Higgins, who had a second bout of brain surgery last year, continued his remarkable recovery, completing the whole session largely in the midfield.
Things are looking good for an early return for Higgins.
Pickett showed he has more tricks than a brilliant blind turn, pulling out a wicked sidestep on another darting run down the middle early on in the piece. Looking completely comfortable on the wing and in the centre square, the mature-age revelation looked like a man set to play 20 games in his second season of AFL in 2020. What an incredible story he is, playing in a premiership in his only senior match.
But this year, Pickett seems almost certain to become a regular member of the senior team.
That’s despite the club’s ridiculous depth.
Stack and Shai Bolton both showed flair in the forward half yesterday, while livewire Liam Baker was another who was prominent off half back, seemingly taking up some of the slack from departed flanked Brandon Ellis.
Key defenders David Astbury, Nathan Broad and Grimes had things sorted down back as part of a defence that will be once again missing superstar Alex Rance.
Twin towers Jack Riewoldt and Lynch led the forward set-up alongside Martin, while Ivan Soldo took charge in the ruck as Nankervis completed run-throughs on the sidelines.
Nankervis and Graham are expected to be back in full training in coming weeks.
Im ANGRY
How is the bloke that bust opened last years GF rated below Average? Castagnfield
The best defender in the comp Below average? Grimes
How can the best Leader be rated below Average? Cotchin
Shut the stinking bullshhit, make up Shiitt joint down.
 
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Fighting Fury

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Im ANGRY
How is the bloke that bust opened last years GF rated below Average? Castagnfield
The best defender in the comp Below average? Grimes
How can the best Leader be rated below Average? Cotchin
Shut the stinking bullshhit, make up Shiitt joint down.
Excellent rant and highly appropriate solution.
 

zippadeee

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Our round 1 Banner should have this on it.
#Champion Data rate most of us Average, but 2 out 3 aren't average.
 
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TigerMasochist

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This'll give Zips a heart attack!
Article aso includes the training report that Caesar referred to over on the training thread, but I thought this thread is the most appropriate

Tigers’ superstars just ‘average’
Tom Lynch, equal-third in last year’s Coleman Medal race, has been rated ‘average’
Tom Lynch, equal-third in last year’s Coleman Medal race, has been rated ‘average’
  • By CHRIS CAVANAGH
  • 9:33PM FEBRUARY 13, 2020
Richmond forward Tom Lynch, captain Trent Cotchin and two-time premiership-winning defender Dylan Grimes have been rated only “average” players by the AFL’s official number crunchers.
The 2020 AFL Prospectus from Champion Data lists five Tigers players as elite in their positions.
But many other premiership players are rated only “average” or “below average”
Average is defined as players rated in the middle 30 per cent of all players in the competition to play their position.
Below average is defined as players ranked in the bottom 35 per cent of all players.
In his first season at Richmond last year, Lynch placed equal-third in the Coleman Medal race and went on to finish the campaign with 63 goals, including two in the grand final.
Cotchin, a Brownlow Medal winner in 2012, averaged 19.8 disposals and 4.4 clearances across 14 games to lead the Tigers to a second premiership under his captaincy last year.
Grimes was a 2019 All-Australian defender and lost just 20.7 per cent of one-on-one contests he competed in across the season.

Two-time premiership defenders Nathan Broad and David Astbury, as well as two-time premiership forward Jason Castagna, are all listed as “below average” players by Champion Data.
Sydney Stack, who missed last year’s finals series due to injury, was the top-ranked Tiger after proving his abilities at both ends of the ground last season.
Star Dustin Martin, reigning best-and-fairest winner Dion Prestia and defenders Shane Edwards and Nick Vlastuin were the four others to be rated “elite”.
Players who have featured in fewer than 10 games from 2018-19 — including grand final hero Marlion Pickett — are listed as “unclassified” in the AFL Prospectus.
In a warning for the rest of the competition, the Tigers were missing only three senior players as they completed 35 minutes of match simulation in hot conditions at Punt Rd on Thursday.
Other than ruckman Toby Nankervis (groin), hard nut Jack Graham (shoulder) and rebounding defender Kamdyn McIntosh (ankle), all the big guns were out there with Martin playing about 70 per cent forward.
Haaarrrrgh! They know not what we do, but we do it extremely well. Just a mediocre bunch of plodders rolling out there week after week, having a bit of fun n playing park footy.
If we go back to back this year the stats men and experts will be having gibbering nightmares trying to figure out what the **** we're up to each year.
 
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zippadeee

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David king copping it sidewards on Twitter about his constant use of champion data.
Someone askee him "have you worked out how to tag Dusty?"
He responded "no-one has"
 
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TigerFlag2017

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I love the serial under-rating of our list. Two premierships is all I can say.

Everyone who watched the finals series now knows how seriously good Tom Lynch is. Ripped Geelong apart. The Elite Forward of the finals. Scary how good he could be and how he good he and Jack could make us in 2020.

Let's hope we can attract more Average players like Tom Lynch to the club.
 
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Mopsy

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I love the serial under-rating of our list. Two premierships is all I can say.

Everyone who watched the finals series now knows how seriously good Tom Lynch is. Ripped Geelong apart. The Elite Forward of the finals. Scary how good he could be and how he good he and Jack could make us in 2020.

Let's hope we can attract more Average players like Tom Lynch to the club.

And lets hope Lynch gets manned up by the opposition teams average defenders.
 
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