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I think we need to give the PM a break. He deserves a honeymoon as much as any other PM. I want him to settle into the big comfy chair of leadership, don the slippers of easy confidence, perhaps smoke the pipe of smug self-righteousness and then stride out onto the world stage and release the best Tony Abbott brain fart any of us have ever heard. Politicians should either be inspirational or incomprehensible. Either Kennedy :angel: or Boris Johnson >:D

Which one do you think our PM is?
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-25/industry-funds-warn-axing-super-benefits-will-hit-women/5115352

ISA chief executive David Whiteley says the changes are unfair and unsustainable, as they leave low-income workers without a tax concession on their superannuation, while those on high incomes already receive concessions.

"We would be very keen to see that this committee recommends to the Parliament that every option is exhausted to make sure that all Australians are getting access to tax concessions on their super," Mr Whiteley said.

The group warns axing the rebate will undermine efforts to improve women's retirement savings, affecting the income of around 2 million or nearly half of all working women, including 80 per cent of female part-time workers.

The submission also says the changes will disproportionately affect four in 10 regional and rural Australians.

Paid parental leave on the table

ISA suggests a flat tax offset on super contributions of 20 per cent or more for all workers, as proposed in the Henry Tax Review, would "greatly simplify the existing system and lead to more sustainable and equitable outcomes".




Some common sense above. We need to review our tax system. 20% tax would be a better way to go. This will better support the lower income workers. Also I thought this policy will cost us less in the long run with pension availability in the future not being certain.
 
tigertim said:
Then how come Abbott leads Shorten 49-41 as preferred PM?

Shorten isn't really out on the public yet. Abbots leadership is influencing the party. The whole media blackout, reluctance to be held to account, stumbling internationally, have all taken its toll on the polls.

If Shorten starts to step up the. As long as he's not completely useless we should see that gap close quickly.
 
Government's double Gonski backflip an act of brazen politicking

Christopher Pyne is too occupied with ripping down the education funding architecture of the past Labor government to spend a bit of extra time studying it first.
An offer by members of the Gonski panel to take him through the detail before he begins the demolition job has been rebuffed.
Of all portfolios, for a minister of state for education to appear so wilfully uninterested in further evidence is concerning at several levels.
At stake is no less than the optimum usage of multiple billions in taxpayer funds and, therefore, the future productivity of the country.
His refusal to allocate the few hours needed to satisfy himself – and be seen to be satisfying himself – of the facts, exposes an emerging pattern for this government: that its primary energies are more often directed at undoing reforms rather than making them.
Pyne clearly thinks he has the field covered and has no need for any extra tuition.
That would be a difficult proposition for any new minister to justify, let alone one with such a compromised history in this policy area.
Before the election, Tony Abbott and his then education spokesman performed an undignified backflip on the so-called Gonski model.
"As far as school funding is concerned, Kevin Rudd and I are on a unity ticket," Mr Abbott stunned voters with on Friday August 2, this year.
"There is no difference between Kevin Rudd and myself when it comes to school funding."
It was as brazen a policy reversal as has been attempted in federal politics in many a season. Just a day before, Pyne, in discussing what he was fond of calling the "conski" model, said: "The truth is of course it's a great con ... and the Coalition's not going to pretend the government is actually delivering new money when it isn't."
In the hours that followed those comments however, Abbott concluded he had lost the argument. Like it or not, the Gonski deal was being embraced by state governments of both stripes, and was being supported by voters as the Liberals' own market testing had shown.
An election was imminent.
And so it went. Abbott backflipped (as above), Victoria agreed to the deal, as did the Catholic school sector. Kevin Rudd set the election date for September 7.
The argument was settled.
Yet now, in government, Pyne wants to salvage his original opposition by arguing that neither Victoria nor Tasmania actually formally signed up, and neither did the Catholic school sector.
They might have agreed but they hadn't signed.
Pyne is now using an essentially legalistic justification for breaking a clear and unqualified political undertaking – and one from which the then opposition was happy to take the political dividend at the time.
Asked if he would take the briefing from the Gonski panel, Pyne said no, explaining: "I have to get on with the job of being education minister."
Many would say that after the complex policy work undertaken over years, and the subsequent agreements entered into in good faith by states such as NSW, a methodical "adult" government would at least try to ensure it had built public confidence and trust before changing course again.
It appears that the government's aim is nakedly political: to ensure that the Gonski reforms are not able to be cited in future years as part of a Labor legacy.
Two major polls are now showing support for the government is already sliding.
One explanation is that an image is emerging of a new government which is not what it said it would be.
That rather than being calm, purposeful, and methodical, it is coming across as mean, clever, and political.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/governments-double-gonski-backflip-an-act-of-brazen-politicking-20131126-2y6zx.html#ixzz2liA2bklX

reading this one could be mistaken for thinking the Libs deliberately lied before the election.
 
To me this is mean-spirited - the libs seem to be treating their time on the government benches the same way they in opposition - with carping negativity.

A better approach, at least publicly is to say we go with Gonski for this year and review it during the year or next - which is really what they are doing anyway. But because Pyne is an arse-hat, he has to to trash the whole report, then refuse to talk with those who wrote it, just to rub it in the face of Labor.. or Gonski... or the expert panel... or something.

Dumb, dumb politics.
 
antman said:
To me this is mean-spirited - the libs seem to be treating their time on the government benches the same way they in opposition - with carping negativity.

A better approach, at least publicly is to say we go with Gonski for this year and review it during the year or next - which is really what they are doing anyway. But because Pyne is an arse-hat, he has to to trash the whole report, then refuse to talk with those who wrote it, just to rub it in the face of Labor.. or Gonski... or the expert panel... or something.

Dumb, dumb politics.

Why add to what has been stated so clearly before...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ViF6JRNjTk
 
They're racking up quite an impressive list of negatives in a very short time. Hark the sounds of silence. Does anyone think they're doing a good job so far?
 
K3 said:
Why add to what has been stated so clearly before...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ViF6JRNjTk

Gave me the chance to call Christopher Pyne an arse-hat.

EDIT: oh look, the NSW premier agrees with me ... well about the Govt. behaving more like an Opposition.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/barry-ofarrell-criticises-christopher-pyne-over-gonski-20131126-2y7fu.html
 
Azza said:
Jeebus, this is just getting embarrassing.

who was it that referred to the funding as a "conski"?
i thought they were talking about Labors policy. seems they were actually talking about the Libs.
 
antman said:
Gave me the chance to call Christopher Pyne an arse-hat.

EDIT: oh look, the NSW premier agrees with me ... well about the Govt. behaving more like an Opposition.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/barry-ofarrell-criticises-christopher-pyne-over-gonski-20131126-2y7fu.html

Any chance to use the term "ass-hat" is one that must be taken, no doubt!

I find it interesting that O'Farrell is having a go at the Fed Libs. I remember back before the election that the state Labor people were trying to distance themselves from Fed Labor. Maybe the same thing is happening here, or am I reading too much into it and Barry O also thinks that Pyne is an "ass-hat"?
 
Tigers of Old said:
There are no surprises at all when it comes to this Government.

I certainly haven't heard anything too positive, it's a different game now the Coalition is in power, it's high time they started building and not dismantling.
 
Strike four, you're.... oh crap, you're still in!



Beijing furious over Julie Bishop's 'irresponsible' remarks


As tensions over territory rise, China’s increasingly assertive navy is getting better at projecting power well beyond the country’s maritime borders. Reuters' David Lague explains.

Beijing has delivered an angry rebuke over what it says are “irresponsible remarks” made by Foreign Minister Julie Bishop regarding Chinese territorial claims in the East China Sea.

In what is shaping up to be the latest diplomatic headache for the Abbott government in Asia, the Chinese Foreign Ministry released a sternly worded statement on its website on Wednesday saying it had “lodged serious representations” requesting Ms Bishop to correct her statements or risk damaging bilateral relations.

“It is completely a mistake for Australia to make irresponsible remarks on China's establishment of an air defence identification zone in the East China Sea, and the Chinese side will not accept it,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said in the statement.

“China urges Australia to correct its mistake immediately to prevent damaging Sino-Australia relations.”

On Tuesday, Ms Bishop said she had summoned Chinese ambassador Ma Zhaoxu to express the Australian government's concern over China establishing a new air defence identification zone over the East China Sea.

Ms Bishop is expected in Beijing for a key first visit as Foreign Minister by the end of the year.

“The timing and the manner of China's announcement are unhelpful in light of current regional tensions, and will not contribute to regional stability,” she said.

“Australia has made clear its opposition to any coercive or unilateral actions to change the status quo in the East China Sea.”

China established a new “air defence identification zone” on Saturday over the East China Sea, including airspace over a string of uninhabited islands – known as Diaoyu in China and Senkaku in Japan – which are at the centre of a long-standing territorial dispute between the two regional powers.

Under the new zone, China requires any aircraft entering the zone to notify authorities in advance and maintain radio contact – or risk military intervention.

The move has been met with strong protests by Japan and the United States.

Both have ignored China's claims to the airspace with Washington flying two unarmed warplanes through the zone in a planned training mission, and the Japanese government instructing its two largest airlines to ignore Beijing's requests for flight plans and other information.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/beijing-furious-over-julie-bishops-irresponsible---remarks-20131127-2ya2q.html#ixzz2lphLzpWy
 
Man, I was worried that our international performance would be bad, but I really didn't expect this many stuff ups so soon.
 
Baloo said:
Man, I was worried that our international performance would be bad, but I really didn't expect this many stuff ups so soon.

Why is this a stuff up?

The USA and Japan are our allies trading partners as well. If we said nothing would they be not happy with us?
 
MB78 said:
Why is this a stuff up?

The USA and Japan are our allies trading partners as well. If we said nothing would they be not happy with us?

China is a major trading partner too.

Walk the tightrope and just say the things that don't offend anyone when it's not our battle to fight.

Or be even smarter and place yourself in a position to be seen as the go between / peace maker.
 
Baloo said:
Walk the tightrope and just say the things that don't offend anyone when it's not our battle to fight.

Or be even smarter and place yourself in a position to be seen as the go between / peace maker.

I don't agree with your first point at all. We need to be able to have honest two discussion with our Allies and trading partners. So I don't consider it being a stuff up to speak up.

Your second point has very good merit. And this is the one that I would go with.
 
MB78 said:
I don't agree with your first point at all. We need to be able to have honest two discussion with our Allies and trading partners. So I don't consider it being a stuff up to speak up.

Sure, have a discussion, but behind closed doors. Why go mouthing off to the press when you know, or at least you should know, it's going to *smile* off one of our biggest trading partners.