Talking Politics

[Giardiasis]

I explained pretty clearly I thought. But I fully understand why you would think that.

You didn't explain anything, just said one upsets the big boys and the other didn't.

 

[tigersnake]

To anyone not blinded by political bias.

that's a good'n

 

[tigersnake]

You didn't explain anything, just said one upsets the big boys and the other didn't.

maybe you missed the earlier posts. maybe I thought it was obvious, if so sorry. OK, if you upset the big boys you will tend to get a tough run in the media, which is owned by the big boys. I don't think its really even up for debate that the murdoch media in particular is anti-climate change policy.

 

[tigersnake]

Justify it all you want, but your refusal to acknowledge it as a lie is embarrassing. Political realities call for dishonest politicians, something you seem to tolerate when the lie benefits you.

I've been calling it a lie all along. no refusal to acknowledge. I've been very clearly and simply identifying diffs between the lies from both sides. But set up that straw man, g'head

 

[tigersnake]

I've just thought of a third difference between the lies,. You'll love this one G.

Gillards lie was based on saving the planet, admittedly, it was a very small initial step towards that, but still. The lie was based on making the economy more sustainable and cleaning up the earth.

Abbotts lies are based on very questionable accountancy. (Many have said a lie, that there is a budget crisis, a lie upon a lie)

 

[Azza]

To anyone not blinded by political bias.

You don't have to be blinded by political bias to understand the difference between a broken promise and a lie.

Do I really need to spell out the difference for you?

 

[Giardiasis]

What was the next line of that quote G? "but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. It seems more than a little partisan to bleat on about JG's statement taken intentionally out of context by omitting the next line then use it as a defence of the current PM's evident lies. "but she did it too" is a pretty poor excuse for the current lies told by Australian conservatives. Not withstanding the fact that she didn't lie. The carbon price was not a tax. It was not registered in the government's accounting as a tax, where all other taxes go. Where the deficit levy will go for instance.

I'm not defending the current PM at all, I am treating his dishonesty as equal to that of Gillard. Saying she wants to price carbon doesn't negate her first line. She said we wouldn't have a co2 tax, and then we did. Blatant lie. You sympathise with the lie, and hence you are blinded to reality. The voting public certainly weren't.

Trying to argue the CO2 tax wasn't a tax is semantic time wasting. Did people have to pay more money? Yes. Did the government in kind receive more money? Yes.

Your maniacal support of profit at all costs while pretending that the pollution of heavy industry has no cost is completely out of sync with global politics and real life. Democracies the world over are moving in the other direction. We were in the break-away with our transition towards an ETS. We are now at the back of the pack and losing touch with the pelleton.

Meh I obviously think the same of you. Democracies around the world are falling apart, they won't be in any position to reduce standards of living to fix an issue that is becoming more embarrassing to the scientific establishment and their government cohorts everyday.

 

[tigersnake]

Aaaaand were back to the global green scientific conspiracy

 

[Giardiasis]

maybe you missed the earlier posts. maybe I thought it was obvious, if so sorry. OK, if you upset the big boys you will tend to get a tough run in the media, which is owned by the big boys. I don't think its really even up for debate that the murdoch media in particular is anti-climate change policy.

Abbott has been getting smashed in the media for lying, even from conservatives like bolt. Going by your logic he should be a media darling. How do you explain that?

 

[Giardiasis]

Aaaaand were back to the global green scientific conspiracy

Who said anything about a conspiracy? I certainly didn't.

 

[Giardiasis]

I've been calling it a lie all along. no refusal to acknowledge. I've been very clearly and simply identifying diffs between the lies from both sides. But set up that straw man, g'head

Fair cop, I retract that.

 

[tigersnake]

Abbott has been getting smashed in the media for lying, even from conservatives like bolt. Going by your logic he should be a media darling. How do you explain that?

I have already had a go. But again, from where I sit, the tone of the media criticism is nowhere near what it was with JG. And I'll bet it will die down pretty quick. I don't read Bolt (his modus operandi is to antagonise people who deal in pesky data), but I'll take your word for it.

The ABC and Fairfax have been critical, but their tone is always less strident. (I know you'll disagree) And most of the swing voters who vote Lib don't read or watch those anyway. Being focussed as they are on book-learning and all.

I accept this is only my perception of the media responses.

 

[Giardiasis]

You don't have to be blinded by political bias to understand the difference between a broken promise and a lie.

Do I really need to spell out the difference for you?

My god man, you need to apply for a political media advisor role ASAP.

 

[tigersnake]

Who said anything about a conspiracy? I certainly didn't.

no you didn't, the words 'scientific establishment' and 'government cohorts' gave that impression. It suggests that science is fabricating findings for some reason in league with powerful backroom boys. Sorry if I was off track there.

 

[Giardiasis]

no you didn't, the words 'scientific establishment' and 'government cohorts' gave that impression. It suggests that science is fabricating findings for some reason in league with powerful backroom boys. Sorry if I was off track there.

I think they are both on the bandwagon, but conspiracy implies a cunningly orchestrated secret plan. I certainly don't think that's the case.

 

[Azza]

My god man, you need to apply for a political media advisor role ASAP.

Ha ha. Hardly. I happen to think there's a difference between knowing you're not going do what you say you are, and changing your mind when circumstances change.

FWIW, I don't know whether Gillard lied, broke a promise in order to form a minority government, or was simply miss-represented.

 

[TigerForce]

Has that little Frankston brat been 'expelled' from Parliament Primary School yet?

 

[Tommy H]

Has that little Frankston brat been 'expelled' from Parliament Primary School yet?

He'll probably just get the strap from the illustrious Liberal leader again....Bring on a early election and get rid of the clowns.

 

[TigerForce]

He'll probably just get the strap from the illustrious Liberal leader again....Bring on a early election and get rid of the clowns.

Naptime is in a stalemate at the moment. Doesn't know what to do. Hung parliament = we live in anarchy.

 

[Baloo]

What a coincidence that Abbott is overseas pressing flesh with foreign leaders while his attack dogs start working over Malcolm T. Sure signs that Abbott's lack of popularity with the masses and discontent with the budget internally is starting to worry our great PM.