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Giardiasis said:
The ABC is left of the ALP Sintiger.
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The ABC ask tougher questions, investigate critically and appeal to something other than the lowest common denominator. It's the tabloid news that decides which direction the ABC leans relative to them. At the moment tabloid news leans to the far right. If they don't judge the ABC as being far left then the ABC are not doing their job properly.
 
"The ABC is Left" is a political mantra of the conservatives.

You can show that the ABC is more objective and asks tougher questions of both sides of politics than any other media player but this won't change the mantra.
 
martyshire said:
It's the tabloid news that decides which direction the ABC leans relative to them. At the moment tabloid news leans to the far right. If they don't judge the ABC as being far left then the ABC are not doing their job properly.
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So you agree then.
 
Sintiger said:
There you go with those labels again. Journos like Sarah Ferguson don't worry about the labels, she goes hard at everyone.
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Except socialists. True, the left and right divide confuses matters. The real compass is between those that believe in collectivism, and those that believe in individualism. Labor, Liberals and the Greens are all collectivists.
 
antman said:
"The ABC is Left" is a political mantra of the conservatives.

You can show that the ABC is more objective and asks tougher questions of both sides of politics than any other media player but this won't change the mantra.
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Conservatives are socialists too.
 
Giardiasis said:
Except socialists. True, the left and right divide confuses matters. The real compass is between those that believe in collectivism, and those that believe in individualism. Labor, Liberals and the Greens are all collectivists.
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What compass ?
journalists like Sarah Ferguson challenge everyone whatever their political persuasion.
It's her job and she is good at it
 
Sintiger said:
What compass ?
journalists like Sarah Ferguson challenge everyone whatever their political persuasion.
It's her job and she is good at it
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But she challenges them from her own political bias. Is there an interview where she challenges from the perspective of economic liberalism? Surely she had one where she calls into question the economic effects of green policy?
 
Giardiasis said:
So you agree then.
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Not really. For the most part, (irrespective of leanings) I think ABC are just devil's advocate; certainly moreso than commercial news that are driven entirely by ratings. After all critical analysis and complicated stories are 'boring'. Insisting politicians answer questions is 'rude'.

IMO, if you think the ABC are left it says more about you than them.

I agree they are left of the tabloids, in the same way that zero is more than -20
 
martyshire said:
Not really. For the most part, (irrespective of leanings) I think ABC are just devil's advocate; certainly moreso than commercial news that are driven entirely by ratings. After all critical analysis and complicated stories are 'boring'. Insisting politicians answer questions is 'rude'.

IMO, if you think the ABC are left it says more about you than them.

I agree they are left of the tabloids, in the same way that zero is more than -20
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I didn't say they were left of the tabloids, I said they are left of the ALP, as in they are further towards socialism than the ALP. The degree of their "critical analysis" is irrelevant to the question of balance. People think that because the ABC scrutinises both major parties that this shows they are balanced. This is simply untrue. They scrutinise from a deep seated socialist bias. This wouldn't be a problem if the ABC was a privately owned media company.
 
Giardiasis said:
But she challenges them from her own political bias. Is there an interview where she challenges from the perspective of economic liberalism? Surely she had one where she calls into question the economic effects of green policy?
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She challenges them full stop.

You are the one with the bias. You see it through a biased lense.
 
Giardiasis said:
The degree of their "critical analysis" is irrelevant to the question of balance.
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I disagree. It is the best insight we have as to their level of balance. If they are imbalanced, they level of critical analysis means they need to work a lot harder to hide it.

Giardiasis said:
They scrutinise from a deep seated socialist bias.
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How could you possibly know this!?

In my view the ABC is close to a constant, so the question would be more aptly phrased, "are the ALP right of the ABC". Re many issues I agree the answer is probably yes. The ALP and LNP are so similar on many issues that the middle ground is probably to the left of both; and therefore so should the ABC be.
 
Giardiasis said:
Everyone is biased! That's the point.
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No it's not the point, it may be the point you are making but it isn't the one I am making. Yes everyone has opinions including journos but the job of the journo is to challenge everyone and dig into the views and statements of the person they are interviewing.

That job is done better by the ABC than anyone else in the Australian media and Sarah Ferguson does it better than anyone.

The show this was referring to was not about political affiliation or based on some social or economic view of the world, it was getting to the truth about a major event in Australian political history.
 
martyshire said:
I disagree. It is the best insight we have as to their level of balance. If they are imbalanced, they level of critical analysis means they need to work a lot harder to hide it.

How could you possibly know this!?
In my view the ABC is close to a constant, so the question would be more aptly phrased, "are the ALP right of the ABC". Re many issues I agree the answer is probably yes. The ALP and LNP are so similar on many issues that the middle ground is probably to the left of both; and therefore so should the ABC be.
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Fair point, where is the ABC's critical analysis of the harmful effects of monetary policy and fractional reserve banking? What about critical analysis of how climate change is largely a farce? The best insight is having journo's from a wide range of political persuasions. To get a job at the ABC however you need to be one of the tribe. In reality the whole aim at balance really is an impossibility. Media outlets shouldn't hide their political bias, and the ABC should not be publicly funded.
 
Giardiasis said:
Fair point, where is the ABC's critical analysis of the harmful effects of monetary policy and fractional reserve banking? What about critical analysis of how climate change is largely a farce? The best insight is having journo's from a wide range of political persuasions. To get a job at the ABC however you need to be one of the tribe. In reality the whole aim at balance really is an impossibility. Media outlets shouldn't hide their political bias, and the ABC should not be publicly funded.
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Oh FFS! This again?
 
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