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tigersnake said:
don't disagree, but the RC was political. Its the first thing the libs do everytime they get into power, flick the switch on a union corruption RC. Try getting a RC into anything that actually needs one, you have to battle away for years and even then you're struggling to get one up. Big business corruption is OK, union corruption isn't. Or to put it another way, left wing corruption is a horrendous scourge, right wing corruption is just an uncomfortable reality of doing business.

The ALP do have a systemic problem with union links, 30-odd % in the general population but 70-odd % in the ALP. Until they can somehow remedy that, the Australian political system will struggle. People want to elect progressive parties, nobody really wants to vote Liberal, unless you're rich or dumb, but the ALP's wishy washy ineptitude means they get a geurnsey. The ALP is prima facie a progressive party, but they can't actually be a true, responsive progressive party until they can reduce the union influence. easier said than done though, try and talk some blokes into that, 'excuse me fellas, we'd like you to vote yourselves a reduced amount of power'. yeah right.

Time after time the ALP has inquiries into what their problems are, time after time the findings say, 'too much union influence, needs to be halved'. time after time, nothing happens.
I agree with you but just because there is no RC into Banks (as an example) isn't a reason to not have one into union corruption. Of course it was political but it has happened and hopefully the result will be a clean out.

My view is that the only real long term hope for the ALP is to cut ties with the union movement but they can't afford to do it.
 
Great to see that people are having a bit of a rally around the asylum seekers who have been here for a bit, but looking to be sent back.

Talk about a way to give them a right kicking! Imagine getting to Australia, getting food, medical treatment, safety and schooling, then BAM, back to a life of nothingness.

Terrible
 
Barnaby Joyce= deputy PM :rotfl
Fiona Nash =equals deputy National leader. :rotfl

by the way, do the Libs have enough men available to fill their cabinet?
 
antman said:
Hah!!

Labor back to within 4 points on the two party preferred. Quite amazing since i can't recall them doing anything much.

they didnt elect Barnaby Joyce as Deputy PM.
 
antman said:
Hah!!

Labor back to within 4 points on the two party preferred. Quite amazing since i can't recall them doing anything much.
They are not simultaneously running two contradictory scare campaigns ("prices will go up" + "prices will go down") about changes to negative gearing
 
True. Malcolm really appears to be a lame duck leader when it comes to his own party. Made so many concessions to the far right he can't do anything.
 
martyshire said:
They are not simultaneously running two contradictory scare campaigns ("prices will go up" + "prices will go down") about changes to negative gearing
The parrot Kelly O'Dwyer just got her script wrong
 
antman said:
True. Malcolm really appears to be a lame duck leader when it comes to his own party. Made so many concessions to the far right he can't do anything.

I reckon it is pretty scary.

He was so promising prior to becoming PM (seemingly very considered, intelligent, charismatic, not driven my money because he already has heaps) and now he appears to be a puppet. Meanwhile Hockey did a massive u-turn on his own policies the day he left parliament (effectively saying he didn't believe in what he was trying to sell) and Tony Abbott went from supporting an emissions trading scheme circa 2009 to suddenly being its biggest opponent.

The Abbott example in isolation didn't worry me too much because I just thought he was a power hungry douche who would 'sell his own ar53'; but the Turnbull and Hockey examples point to a trend, which is something much more scary. Corporate donors? Media moguls? Very persuasive but camera-shy back benches? How do unknown sources (possibly with an extreme ideology) get so much power...?
 
I called it years ago, there was never evidence that Turnbull was the shining small l liberal that he cleverly made himself out to be.
 
mld said:
I called it years ago, there was never evidence that Turnbull was the shining small l liberal that he cleverly made himself out to be.

there is plenty of evidence. Head of the Republican movement and passionate co-architect and spruiker of Howard's emissions trading scheme, and all-but openly hostile to Abbott's direct action policy. As Antman said though, he's a lame duck beholden to right wing power brokers.
 
antman said:
Hah!!

Labor back to within 4 points on the two party preferred. Quite amazing since i can't recall them doing anything much.

yeah. I've been saying it for 8-odd years. Because the LNP are so bad All Labor have to do is be OK, not crap and they'll get into power. As time passes the bar appears to be gettinglower and lower if Shorten is anything to go by. I'll give him one thing though, by the pathetic standards of the last decade, he did actually take a bit of a stand and take a risk by flagging changes to negative gearing.
 
tigersnake said:
As Antman said though, he's a lame duck beholden to right wing power brokers.

Yep, but it's starting to say more about the influence of the power brokers than the line of lame ducks that are beholden to them.

Tigers of Old said:
Rupert and Gina run the country don't they?

Call it naivety or a tendency not to buy into conspiracy theories but I used to think this was just a cheeky throw away line with possibly just a hint of truth in it.

It is now clear to me that SOMEONE has the country completely by the balls. You may well be right.
 
Mal Brough= gone. (wonder if he was pushed, or just thought it was best to go before he is arrested?)

Are the Libs going to have anyone left at the next election?
 
martyshire said:
Got any good examples of this happening elsewhere?
The United States has shown the opposite process quite clearly since the 18th century. What started as a country built upon the principles of Liberty (slavery the glaring exception) and avoiding foreign entanglements has now become a corporatocracy where US corporate interests are backed by the power of the US military. Substituting political control for economic law continues to provide Rupert and Gina with advantages they would not have on the free market.