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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

Stackey

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Because tigers already have 100,000 members ans draw big crowds whereas those like footscray and demons dont ...they need to win as many games and flags as possible to draw members and crowds ...thats all I can come up with as there is mow way bont and gawn woukd of had those goals nullified like bolton and tarrant did...umps obsessed wirh finding free kicks ahainst us
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Any comments from the AFL this week about the poor umpiring.
make of this what you will .....

The AFL has created a ‘General Manager Umpiring’ role in its football operations department, as the league looks to improve participation and performance of umpiring across the code.

Lisa Lawry is currently on secondment to the AFL Executive team as Acting Executive General Manager People from her regular role as General Manager People and Culture at Essendon, where she has been a member of the executive leadership team since 2014.

The move comes amid considerable backlash to contentious umpiring decisions and interpretations on the weekend, which culminated in 63 free kicks being paid during one game - the most in an AFL match since 2012.

“Umpires play an integral and important role in the game, and quite simply without umpires we don’t have football,” the AFL’s general manager of football Andrew Dillon said in a statement.

“Adding resource and focus to this area will only strengthen our work in performance, growth, and development of umpiring – ensuring a strong, diverse and appealing pathway from community through to the elite AFL and AFLW competitions.

“Ms Lawry has extensive leadership and people and culture experience and brings a clear understanding of high performance, coaching, talent management and cultural change, which will benefit the progression of umpiring nationally and drive greater diversity into our senior umpiring ranks.”
 

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make of this what you will .....

The AFL has created a ‘General Manager Umpiring’ role in its football operations department, as the league looks to improve participation and performance of umpiring across the code.

Lisa Lawry is currently on secondment to the AFL Executive team as Acting Executive General Manager People from her regular role as General Manager People and Culture at Essendon, where she has been a member of the executive leadership team since 2014.

The move comes amid considerable backlash to contentious umpiring decisions and interpretations on the weekend, which culminated in 63 free kicks being paid during one game - the most in an AFL match since 2012.

“Umpires play an integral and important role in the game, and quite simply without umpires we don’t have football,” the AFL’s general manager of football Andrew Dillon said in a statement.

“Adding resource and focus to this area will only strengthen our work in performance, growth, and development of umpiring – ensuring a strong, diverse and appealing pathway from community through to the elite AFL and AFLW competitions.

“Ms Lawry has extensive leadership and people and culture experience and brings a clear understanding of high performance, coaching, talent management and cultural change, which will benefit the progression of umpiring nationally and drive greater diversity into our senior umpiring ranks.”
That sounds like Gerry Gee and Scott putting a buffer between them and all the criticism.

Corporate sap strategy 101.
 
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Stackey

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My attitude has been shaped by the best coaches I've seen and they all had a crystal clear approach to discipline which is essentially control what you can control and take responsibility for your own actions.
If you do those things it's amazing how those sort of incidents disappear.
And currently in the modern game how is it those sort of incidents do not disappear?!? Have not disappeared?! Diminished?!?
In fact they have increased like mushrooms in a darkened room.
Seriously that is too glib a comment!
Must mean the modern game lacks the 'best coaches' to convey what discipline is to their players!
 

The Big Richo

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And currently in the modern game how is it those sort of incidents do not disappear?!? Have not disappeared?! Diminished?!?
In fact they have increased like mushrooms in a darkened room.
Seriously that is too glib a comment!
Must mean the modern game lacks the 'best coaches' to convey what discipline is to their players!

C'mon Stackman, I understand discipline isn't your strong suite but you must acknowledge it exists. ;)

We've given away 28 50 metre penalties at one end of the scale, at the other end there are teams that have given away very few.

Same goes with free kicks, you can bet your life the teams with the low tallies have given away many less avoidable free kicks than most other teams.

There are plenty of disciplined teams and disciplined players out there, including in our side.
 

Stackey

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C'mon Stackman, I understand discipline isn't your strong suite but you must acknowledge it exists. ;)

We've given away 28 50 metre penalties at one end of the scale, at the other end there are teams that have given away very few.

Same goes with free kicks, you can bet your life the teams with the low tallies have given away many less avoidable free kicks than most other teams.

There are plenty of disciplined teams and disciplined players out there, including in our side.
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King Kong

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make of this what you will .....

The AFL has created a ‘General Manager Umpiring’ role in its football operations department, as the league looks to improve participation and performance of umpiring across the code.

Lisa Lawry is currently on secondment to the AFL Executive team as Acting Executive General Manager People from her regular role as General Manager People and Culture at Essendon, where she has been a member of the executive leadership team since 2014.

The move comes amid considerable backlash to contentious umpiring decisions and interpretations on the weekend, which culminated in 63 free kicks being paid during one game - the most in an AFL match since 2012.

“Umpires play an integral and important role in the game, and quite simply without umpires we don’t have football,” the AFL’s general manager of football Andrew Dillon said in a statement.

“Adding resource and focus to this area will only strengthen our work in performance, growth, and development of umpiring – ensuring a strong, diverse and appealing pathway from community through to the elite AFL and AFLW competitions.

“Ms Lawry has extensive leadership and people and culture experience and brings a clear understanding of high performance, coaching, talent management and cultural change, which will benefit the progression of umpiring nationally and drive greater diversity into our senior umpiring ranks.”
LOL - This smacks of a new scapegoat to ensure Gilligan and Scotty2Stroppy avoid the *smile* when it hits the fan each week now.

I'm not blaming her for the appointment but FFS how many games has Lisa umpired? How can she deliver significantly improved umpire performance if she don't understand how?
 
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HR

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Concerned for your hat TBR. Can't confirm your anecdote without access to data to test correlation. The eyeball test of limited available team data suggests that the anomaly of Richmond's free kick differential this season is unrelated to tackling (only behind Ess in the league). Doesn't appear to be strongly related to disposals or kicking either. Apart from free kicks and tackling, Richmond's other outliers this season have been goals scored (2nd behind Bris) and clearances.

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The main reason for Richmond's poor differential, something you have alluded to previously, is undisciplined play. Richmond's main culprits this season come as no surprise:

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Nank 15 27
Shai 4 20
Lynch 12 20
Marlion 6 14
Tarrant 3 12

These 5 players account for 80 per cent of our free kick differential. Every year of their AFL careers, Nank, Shai and Marlion have conceded plenty of free kicks. Tarrant had a history of conceding frees at North. Lynch's record at Richmond is different from his time at Suns - either he has changed his style of play (possibly related to knee problems) or he is umpired differently at Richmond. Of course, none of this addresses the frees we don't receive. Bloody maggots!
What about the frees Marlion gets pinged for that others dont? And Mansell for that matter.
Stats will not show what we see as a supporter base because there are no stats for *smile* umpires or biased application of the rules depending on who is playing.
They just won't show it.
Ever.
 
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Stig

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Awesome appointment.
Lisa will no doubt put the appropriate structures and processes in place to ensure the umpires are given a fair chance . Way too many ex players have destroyed the umpiring of footy . And we ain’t talking rules here
 
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yandb

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Yes AFL lets appoint another non umpire into the role to oversee umpires.

What a joke for decades ex umpires were appointed to the role of overseeing umpires until the AFL decided to give the jobs to ex AFL coaches.

Since then the standard of umpires has been gradual going down hill.
 
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The Big Richo

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Yes AFL lets appoint another non umpire into the role to oversee umpires.

What a joke for decades ex umpires were appointed to the role of overseeing umpires until the AFL decided to give the jobs to ex AFL coaches.

Since then the standard of umpires has been gradual going down hill.

They still have an ex-umpire as coach yandb, they've always come under AFL operations for everything else.
 

King Kong

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Awesome appointment.
Lisa will no doubt put the appropriate structures and processes in place to ensure the umpires are given a fair chance . Way too many ex players have destroyed the umpiring of footy . And we ain’t talking rules here
Just what we need more structures and processes............not. How about a bit of common *smile* sense and a feel for the game!
 
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King Kong

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Yes AFL lets appoint another non umpire into the role to oversee umpires.

What a joke for decades ex umpires were appointed to the role of overseeing umpires until the AFL decided to give the jobs to ex AFL coaches.

Since then the standard of umpires has been gradual going down hill.

It became a job for sacked club staff that the AFL felt sorry for. Its never been taken seriously.

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All ex Tiger players / coaches / admin. The idea being getting a bitter ex Richmond person to lead so the Tig's get shafted every year.
 

btoz_01

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It’s the constant rule changes and different interpretations handed out by AFL on a weekly basis
Making our game hard to umpire
IMHO it’s the AFL that’s to blame
 
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It became a job for sacked club staff that the AFL felt sorry for. Its never been taken seriously.

Gieschen
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All ex Tiger players / coaches / admin. The idea being getting a bitter ex Richmond person to lead so the Tig's get shafted every year.
think you might be onto something here...
 

Stig

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Just what we need more structures and processes............not. How about a bit of common *smile* sense and a feel for the game!
Yes . They need there point of view . Nobody asked the umpires what they think ? Nope !! There the rules , go and umpire . To have a properly structured organisation that has a proper pathway will solve a lot of the issues
 
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It became a job for sacked club staff that the AFL felt sorry for. Its never been taken seriously.

Gieschen
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All ex Tiger players / coaches / admin. The idea being getting a bitter ex Richmond person to lead so the Tig's get shafted every year.
There's one of their problems right there.
 
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tommystigers

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make of this what you will .....

The AFL has created a ‘General Manager Umpiring’ role in its football operations department, as the league looks to improve participation and performance of umpiring across the code.

Lisa Lawry is currently on secondment to the AFL Executive team as Acting Executive General Manager People from her regular role as General Manager People and Culture at Essendon, where she has been a member of the executive leadership team since 2014.

The move comes amid considerable backlash to contentious umpiring decisions and interpretations on the weekend, which culminated in 63 free kicks being paid during one game - the most in an AFL match since 2012.

“Umpires play an integral and important role in the game, and quite simply without umpires we don’t have football,” the AFL’s general manager of football Andrew Dillon said in a statement.

“Adding resource and focus to this area will only strengthen our work in performance, growth, and development of umpiring – ensuring a strong, diverse and appealing pathway from community through to the elite AFL and AFLW competitions.

“Ms Lawry has extensive leadership and people and culture experience and brings a clear understanding of high performance, coaching, talent management and cultural change, which will benefit the progression of umpiring nationally and drive greater diversity into our senior umpiring ranks.”
This is AFL groupthink at its finest.

Issue: Incompetent and inconsistent umpiring of convoluted and absurd rules created by the AFL.
Solution: Appoint someone to create a pathway for umpires to perform, grow, and develop, in order to make it to the big time.

How about you go back to the rule book and weed out all of the excess garbage you have instituted in the past decade. Make it simpler to adjudicate. Don't introduce new rules. No rule of the week. Ever. It is either explained properly in the laws of the game and taught to all levels of umpiring or it doesn't exist.

Competency and consistency will increase as a result of umpires not being distracted by idiotic AFL dispatches.
 
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btoz_01

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Anyone thinking we only get reamed in the AFL by umps it’s the same in VFL
score swans 41 tigers 47
at start of 3rd qtr swans 18 frees to tigers 8
umps doing all they can to keep swans in it
 
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