I think you're overcomplicating things.
23 Daniel Riolis beats any real AFL side.
If your bottom 6 players are Daniel Rioli, you've already won.
Don't forget that sometimes the premiership talls are Billy Frampton.
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Which team wins this theoretical Premiership?
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23 Daniel Riolis beats any real AFL side.
If your bottom 6 players are Daniel Rioli, you've already won.
Don't forget that sometimes the premiership talls are Billy Frampton.
Wouldn't work in the real world, Captain Blood.
Nice guy Brayden's "Football act" can only work in Carringbush gear!
He does the same thing in the dreaded Y & B garb, he automatically becomes villain and said Footballing act is now suspendable by City Hall.
Nice thought, though!
Just the one Prince is fine.
Bottom six is a big deal, CT. I guess I was cheating a bit there. I went for the Tom J Lynches and Dylan Grimeses to make it a fait accompli.
But it's still a radical proposal - that you can win the premiership with seventeen half back flankers. Or 23. ;D
Could you win it with seventeen Shannon Hurns? Bachar Houlis? Nick Vlastuins? Um... (Who's that Sydney dud?) Jake Lloyds? How bout Dochertys?
No to all of those.
But that's only because Rioli is better than all of those.
The question was posed on this forum sometime around 2012 about whether 22 Trent Cotchins would win a premiership. The answer is obviously yes, though there was a lot of debate at the time.
Given that Rioli has played more positions at an elite level (5 goals in a prelim? Best HB in the league? 3 time premiership pressure forward when it's not even his best position?) I'd say the answer is even more clearly yes.
A more interesting question is whether 22 Dan Riolis would beat 22 Trent Cotchins (2017 edition).
Not a chance. They wouldn't win the ball from the middle. They would barely win a contest after that. They could only pray the chimp got bored.
I'm putting what I think will be considered at least a radical proposition, Ct - You can win the premiership with zero inside players.
Yours is more radical if I've got it right - You can win the premiership with zero inside players, zero rucks and zero talls. It' a beaut idea. I think it deserves its own thread. So I'll start one and move the relevant posts over.
[I'll get the other posts on topic moved over. Meanwhile fire away!]
No problem
3 grimes and 3 Riolis in the back half
1 Lynch in the ruck and the other 2 up forward
4 Riolis up forward and the rest making up the on ball division and the bench
Clear winner
3 grimes and 3 Riolis in the back half
1 Lynch in the ruck and the other 2 up forward
4 Riolis up forward and the rest making up the on ball division and the bench
Clear winner
difficult exercise IMO. Personally can't split 'em.
All premierships/corresponding seasons considered:
B: Astbury Rance Grimes
HB: Houli Vlastuin Short
C: McIntosh Prestia Ellis
HF: Castagna Martin Lambert
F: Riewoldt Lynch Rioli
FOLL: Nankervis, Edwards, Cotchin
INTER: Broad, Caddy, Baker, Bolton
EMERG: Graham, Pickett, Balta, Soldo
Individual player's careers:
B: Astbury Rance Grimes
HB: Houli Vlastuin Short
C: Grigg Prestia Ellis
HF: Lambert Martin Bolton
F: Riewoldt Lynch Rioli
FOLL: Nankervis, Edwards, Cotchin
INTER: Caddy, Baker, Broad, Graham
EMERG: McIntosh, Butler, Castagna, Balta
I'm surprised at the popularity of the RLG (RioliLynchGrimes) team.
It did not occur to me that PREnders would be so keen on a side with zero inside players.
Collingwood is already modelled to some degree on an RLG plan. McRae got by with only one inside player in his 2023 side. Tom Mitchell. Who played an incredible rolling defensive game. RLG fans might wonder if a Rioli would have been more useful. I do.
Alistair Clarkson is all over the RLG team. "We don't care if we win first possession."
How does the RLG team win a game? The outnumber. The Riolis get there in numbers because they are so quick. Inevitably there will be more more Riolis at contests. Likewise the Grimeses.
The Riolis and the Grimeses are supreme at pressure.
*But pressure became redundant with 666 or some other rule change.*
Craig McRae doesn't think so.
Back to theory. Because of superior pressure the RLGs force turnover and then with the inevitable outnumber run it up the other end for a soft tap in. There are three Riolis in the goalsquare by themselves. They start the game with ten or twelve straight goals while the other side readjusts its zone.
And now we're in an interesting place. Doesn't any coach worth two bob just play Ball Security against the RLGs?
It did not occur to me that PREnders would be so keen on a side with zero inside players.
Collingwood is already modelled to some degree on an RLG plan. McRae got by with only one inside player in his 2023 side. Tom Mitchell. Who played an incredible rolling defensive game. RLG fans might wonder if a Rioli would have been more useful. I do.
Alistair Clarkson is all over the RLG team. "We don't care if we win first possession."
How does the RLG team win a game? The outnumber. The Riolis get there in numbers because they are so quick. Inevitably there will be more more Riolis at contests. Likewise the Grimeses.
The Riolis and the Grimeses are supreme at pressure.
*But pressure became redundant with 666 or some other rule change.*
Craig McRae doesn't think so.
Back to theory. Because of superior pressure the RLGs force turnover and then with the inevitable outnumber run it up the other end for a soft tap in. There are three Riolis in the goalsquare by themselves. They start the game with ten or twelve straight goals while the other side readjusts its zone.
And now we're in an interesting place. Doesn't any coach worth two bob just play Ball Security against the RLGs?
Coburgtiger has anticipated the issue of Ball Security -
And MD is fully on the side of First to the Ball need.
And MD is fully on the side of First to the Ball need.
You could probably sacrifice a few Riolis to severe head injuries on the inside swarming the contest. The Cochins are more durable but not as twitchy.
FMD. Why haven't we got any Dusty's in the side?????? Some bloody short memories around here. A Jaaack up front, a Tross down back, a Nank to do the nasty work and the rest can be Dusty's. Undefeated for 15 years.
2017 was no slow coach. Think he can could on the ground with the prince and clearly does him in the air and at the contest.
If there are only two types players on the field, and it's Daniel and Cotchy, then Cotch might as well be walking through treacle, 2017 or otherwise.
Daniel is lightning, and Cotch would be chasing a lot of tail while finding himself in trouble with the ball.
The Daniels wouldn't see the ball before it came to the outside, but then it gets interesting.
Daniel's played both ends of the ground better than Cotch. Is faster both defensively and offensively.
Can lock down, run the ball, pressure, all better than Cotch. Has kicked five goals in a prelim, is a sharper natural goal kicker, better set shot.
Cotch wins most, if not all, Aerial contests and every clearance.
Which is more important in the Granny?
My tip is on the Daniels.
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100% Cotchins win. The centre bounce would be a Cotch fest. I doubt the rioli's would be still on the park after 4 quarters against 18 Cotch's.
