No wrong, it was the responsibility of the NSW state health department.
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/202...-health-coronavirus-australia-cruiseship.html
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No wrong, it was the responsibility of the NSW state health department.
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/202...-health-coronavirus-australia-cruiseship.html
Politics, when I have my parents well being at stake here (high risk age group and also pre-existing conditions and then need for regular hospital visits) has sweet *smile* all to do with it. Seriously, if you think this is a partisan debate then you're really not taking *smile* seriously enough.
Pretty sure Gladys is a Liberal Premier. I've given her as much credit as Dan. Who is acting like it's all politics here?
Certainly not me. I said from the start I'm not interested in the politics. Stop over-analysing opinionated credibility rubbish and concentrate on the actions. As I said the job of national leader is far more complex than of the state leaders.
Dude, you brought up the politics card, not me. Anyway, been nice chatting. See ya.
States are responsible for their own Ports I believe, (at least under advice from higher authorities),
Refer quote from WA Premier:
“I will not allow what happened in Sydney to happen here,” McGowan told reporters on Monday.
He was referring to 48 confirmed cases among passengers on the Ruby Princess cruise ship, which docked in Sydney on Thursday, and five cases from the Ovation of the Seas ship, which docked a day earlier.
“My first priority has to be protecting Western Australians,” McGowan said.
“The passengers and the crew will not be walking around the streets.”
The below AGE Ruby Princess story is a very disturbing blunder:
They saw what happened in Japan and still failed in their duties.
Aboard the Ruby Princess: how one cruise spawned a COVID-19 outbreak
NSW health authorities unleashed 2700 potentially infectious cruise passengers into the broader community in record time.
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The biggest problem is the restrictions in the Federation set up 120 years ago. The bushfires highlighted the problem and this is amplifying it. Back then states were king and travel between states was a big thing. Trying to go from Melbourne to Sydney back then is similar to now trying to get from Australia to England.
When this is all over there needs to be a revision of the model and modernise it for how the world now operates.
If Australia can somehow get through this we might be beating the boats back with a stick, figuratively speaking.
Not sure if it has been posted before, this website is really good.
www.covid19data.com.au
In summary:
China is on top, but with a flat curve, has things under control.
Italy (green) and Spain (blue) are about to go past China.
USA has already broken through the China growth rate.
South Korea has things under control, while japan and Singapore slowed the rate significantly earlier compared with other countries, of these Australia is doing the best (bottom of the curves) 15 days after reaching the first 100 cases.
UK is about to break through South Korea and still going up, not flattening like them, but doing better than Spain etc.
Australia has a slight improvement new cases dropping from 379 to 317 (might just be a blip in the figures. You can almost see a slight bend at the top of the Australian graph.)
Coronavirus (COVID-19) in Australia | Data
Data visualisations tracking the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) in Australia. Updated frequently. Embeddable infographics. A volunteer-run, fact-checked project tracking the outbreak.
www.covid19data.com.au
In summary:
China is on top, but with a flat curve, has things under control.
Italy (green) and Spain (blue) are about to go past China.
USA has already broken through the China growth rate.
South Korea has things under control, while japan and Singapore slowed the rate significantly earlier compared with other countries, of these Australia is doing the best (bottom of the curves) 15 days after reaching the first 100 cases.
UK is about to break through South Korea and still going up, not flattening like them, but doing better than Spain etc.
Australia has a slight improvement new cases dropping from 379 to 317 (might just be a blip in the figures. You can almost see a slight bend at the top of the Australian graph.)
Its a fantasy to think businesses can survive extended unknown periods with no income and owners should be staying open and paying people and the govt subsidise this. How long is the wage subsidy in NZ predicted to last? How much will it cost? How much does each person get? What about the rest of a businesses costs?
You don't think lots of economic experts haven't been pouring over all sorts of models and scenarios the last month or so to come up with the right plan?
Already the govt is being blamed for the Ruby Princess when not their fault. And Dan is apparently a firm hand yet what about the Grand Prix fiasco? Thousands rocked up on the Friday and stood ar. ound for 2 hours without knowing if it was on or off. And posters cite strong sure clear leadership? He was just as nieve as the rest
I'm no different, I was a fool to think this was overstated. But I'm prepared to listen to those in charge and trust they're making the best decisions with the info they have. I know that they would have access to a lot more information than anyone posting on this site.
Are you for real? You don't think I don't know it can't go on for ever. Wow sage advice.
Just reported on the news that 1m jobs have already been lost. Scomo, came out with his stimulus package in order to keep job losses (and I quote) to tens of thousands. Wow how wrong was he. Funny there I said that.
If you want to go through his stimulus package I'm happy to but the vast majority was a complete waste of the paper it was written on.
FYI on NZ, the cost of the measures in NZ will be about NZ$5m, $585.80 / week for each member of staff (providing employers pay their staff at least 80% of their wage). It lasts for 3 months.
I've already shown (and its very easy to do it) how much the same (but for 6 months) would have cost Australia and its $30m less than the current stimulus package (and that's assuming we'd have to pay that for every single person, I'd estimate it would have cost less than $100m to have done the same thing in Australia). I am reviewing this for our business with our staff in NZ. For a lot of our manual labour staff much of their wages will be paid for by NZ and therefore retain employment but brings their wages down to a significantly lower level so we can continue to function as a business.
The rest of a businesses costs obviously need to be managed and for our business we are working on that. The point of this is to essentially try to extend the number of months that a business can sustain their business for. Ie. have say 2-3 months cash at full cost, this along with other measures could extend that out to 9-12 months.
Instead our government have focused on increasing jobseekers allowance (why not pay that to businesses so they could have retained staff instead), paying pensioners $1500 (in 2 payments) for I'm not really sure what (and from speaking to friends who have parents who are pensioners in Australia, the pensioners don't even understand why).
If you can't see that their stimulus has been a disaster then I'm not sure you will get it.
I'm more concerned with the crime rate after lock down. Depending how long the economy takes to pickup our unemployment will be dire.
How are people finding their communities doing the right thing?
Definitely much quieter here in Bayside today. Streets were basically deserted.
I had to head to Southland quickly to pick up a computer monitor for my son's home schooling & it was basically empty bar for a few people around.
Maybe just maybe we're starting to really get it.
Definitely much quieter here in Bayside today. Streets were basically deserted.
I had to head to Southland quickly to pick up a computer monitor for my son's home schooling & it was basically empty bar for a few people around.
Maybe just maybe we're starting to really get it.
Can you please explain what you mean by cost of measures in NZ will be NZ$5m? $585.80 per week will only pay for 8535 weekly payments. If that's 3 months (12 weeks) then that only equates to paying 711 full-time employees. Or have I misunderstand what you're saying?
Yep, Here in Richmond I only see fellow dog walkers in the arvo
Mu commute Richmond - Mulgrave return is bliss
Right that makes sense. The wage subsidy is $585.80 per week for full-time staff or $350 for part-time but the devil in the deal is it's capped at $150,000 per business. Also need to show a 30% decline in revenue compared to same time last year. So it pays for 21 full-time employees over 12 weeks. The reality is, with no revenue whatsoever for many businesses, keeping employees employed is just not possible but I guess that does help smaller businesses.
