2021 Draft Thread

[zippadeee]

Collingwood don't need that many points. If Daicos is bid on at 1, then they need 2400 points to match, they have 1707 at the moment, so they need somewhere around 700 points. If they get around 600 I think they would be happy, expecting their 1st won't be impacted too much by a 100 negative point deficit. Its why I would be all over trying to swap 1 of our 2nds with the 2022 2nd. We bank on them being poor again next year (potentially even getting a top 20 pick out of it).

I think they are expecting to take Daicos with their 1st, then a couple late in the draft. They are being linked with other players that will be traded for future picks I would assume. I suspect the Pies may take 1 or 2 picks into the SSP / mid season draft, hence they can take picks for these list spots to the draft but not fill them.

The Dogs (again assuming a Pick 1 bid (though more likely to be 2 or 3), they also need 2400 points, they only have 1044 points so are massively exposed to that high bid. I don't think they were expecting Darcy to be going this high last year, which is why they focused so much on JUH. I suspect they will be trying to trade a few players out and get extra picks this year. I suspect they will be heavily involved in pick trades this year in order to trade their point value up. If Darcy gets a bid at 3 (more likely I think than Pick 1) then the Dogs need just under 1800 points which they should be able to achieve. Depending on the volume of empty spots on their list, they may be open to trading their 1st down where I think we should jump at it.

We have a possible trade if we get a 3rd round compo pick for Chol leaving (I'm suspecting he is leaving, probably to the Suns), then I'd look at packing 40, 44 and 45 up for the Dogs 1st round pick. They would gain 113 points from that. They could fill the balance with either trades out this year (maybe Wallis leaving, Lipinski - though he looks like going to the Pies which will be for future picks, or there could be someone else). They would need a mid 2nd and would then have enough points for Darcy. Similar to the Pies, I suspect they may go to the draft with more list spots than they actually fill, maybe also taking some list spots to the SSP / mid season draft.

If we could do something like above, we might end up with, 7, 15, 17, 28 and have an additional 2nd next year (Collingwoods). This is the type of thing I suspect we look at doing this year.

If Pickett leaves for West Coast, then I'd hope we'd look at them as draft pick changes too. Maybe something like 10 and 35 for 17, 28 and Pickett.

Leaves us with 7, 10, 15 and 35 for this year.

Im fked with this point system
What happens if North want Dacios?.
And what happens if Collingwood dont have enough points?
In my opinion if they dont have enough points Dacios should be open to going to another club
Its not like Collingwood didn't know Dacios didn't exist.
Its a pity Carlton didn't finished last they would've gone after him and he is a made Carlton supporter

 

[Dont Argue]

As soon as I saw the words transitional running, I knew Ward would be Clarke’s priority.
Our club rates that above almost everything else.

 

[zippadeee]

I reckon Gold Coast might give us Pick 3 and Matt Rowell?

And Josh Toy

 

[spook]

I've liked Ward since that Metro v Country game that he and Daicos dominated. More rounded player than Hobbs.

Nudge nudge, wink wink..............Darcy Moore

Moore's a great backman but has looked lost up forward. I think with Collingwood's scoring woes, if he had the ability to be a top forward we'd have seen it by now. They tried him there this year and it was an abject failure.

I'd still love him at the club, though.

We go in with picks 7, 15, 26, 28, 40 and 44. Caddy heads for North Melbourne for chips back, but Chol also heads North as an unrestricted free agent, with a sufficient salary increase to give us a compensation pick at the end of round 2.

Collingwood who are in full rebuild mode need points for Dacos who will go at one. They don't have their first or second and are unable and not willing to trade next years.
Coming in here we will offer our Chol pick plus 40 and 44, (equivalent points value pick 13), for Darcy Moore who will jump at the chance to become a Richmond man.

CJ will be traded to GC probably for picks 19 and 22 and possibly for a pick up grade of our 7 to their 3, (Ward)?

Pickett will be traded to West Coast for Petruccelli.

We would then come out with Moore and Petruccelli and take picks 3, 15, 19, 22, 26 and 28 to the draft.

If the Moore trade does not eventuate, we will offer pick 15 and others for Tim Taranto.
We can't afford both.

Are you hearing this, or hoping this?

 

[mrposhman]

How about if CJ decides to leave for the GC.

Richmond In - Pick 3, 22 and 35
Richmond Out - Pick 7, 28, Pickett and CJ

West Coast In - Pick 7 and Pickett
West Coast Out - Pick 10 and 35

Gold Coast In - Pick 10, 28 and CJ
Gold Coast Out - Pick 3 and 22

Can be 2 seperate trades really as they are both independent.

We then draft Ward with our 1st. West Coast get in front of Freos pick and Gold Coast get there support for King in their forward line.

We'd then have Picks 3, 15, 22, 26 and the later picks that I think we will package up and trade for a better pick.

 

[bob]

Trading up becomes crucial.

If it means losing CCJ as collateral damage then I am ok with that

As soon as I saw the words transitional running, I knew Ward would be Clarke’s priority.
Our club rates that above almost everything else.

It is important I think. Watching VM v VC, I thought Ward was unselfish too, doing the hard work for others to shine.
We have been blessed with the gut running of Lambert and Prestia; their absences this year exposed us because Cotch can no longer do it and Dusty really doesn't do it. The lack of gut running is what Geelong also don't have anymore with their age and the more selfish mids wanting to be front of centre.

I'm a big fan of Ward because he is a good fit for our current mid crop. Even if RCD and Dow work out (I hope I am wrong, but I'm not convinced), it's a good mix in the centre.

Melb have done a great job with their drafting. Not just Oliver and Petracca, but the balance throughout their team is excellent - their 2nd and 3rd round picks are really good too.

I like Rachele a lot but as a flashy, classy forward player, again I think we have that covered with Shai who is also young.
The player I really want to see is Erasmus - I hope there's one more game before the draft to see how his midfield game looks.

 

[toothless]

I think we're dreaming if Ward is still available at pick 9. Only chance may be if we snag Gold Coke's first and even then there's no guarantee

 

[bob]

How about if CJ decides to leave for the GC.

Richmond In - Pick 3, 22 and 35
Richmond Out - Pick 7, 28, Pickett and CJ

West Coast In - Pick 7 and Pickett
West Coast Out - Pick 10 and 35

Gold Coast In - Pick 10, 28 and CJ
Gold Coast Out - Pick 3 and 22

Can be 2 seperate trades really as they are both independent.

We then draft Ward with our 1st. West Coast get in front of Freos pick and Gold Coast get there support for King in their forward line.

We'd then have Picks 3, 15, 22, 26 and the later picks that I think we will package up and trade for a better pick.

I'm really hopeless at working out the deals/picks. Will say that first b/c I can never quite work it all out

It looks good to me, simply b/c I've a massive Ward fan.
And at 3, it pretty much means GWS have to choose between him or Callaghan so we have a good chance. I dont think they will take Gibcus, no matter what the Phantom Drafts say.

Do you think it might look a little thin for West Coast? They'll be rapt to get ahead of Freo (although Freo may get Carlton's pick for Cerra anyway), but WC need all the picks they can get after having traded out so many for Tim Kelly. Even 35 might be too valuable for them to give up for Pickett?

 

[taztiger4]

I think we're dreaming if Ward is still available at pick 9. Only chance may be if we snag Gold Coke's first and even then there's no guarantee

Its not that far off TBH

Daicos & Carcy are 2 of the 8 that will go before our pick

Horne Likely to be gone
Callaghan ditto
Roberts ditto
Abdrew ditto
Gibcus
Goater possible
Hobbs possible
Sinn likely
Rachele possible
etc etc

 

[Scoop]

Perhaps just on the unlikely side at present.

I have the order before ours like this at the moment.

1	1	North Melbourne	Round 1 pick for 18th place - Bid on Daicos- Collingwood match Take Jason Horne	3000
1	2	GWS	Round 1 pick for 17th place | Traded from Collingwood in 2020 live pick trade Bid on Sam Darcy- Dogs Match Take- Finn Callahan or Josh Gibcus	2517
1	3	Gold Coast	Round 1 pick for 16th place - Take Josh Gibcus or Finn Callahan or even Mac Andrew	2234
1	4	Adelaide	Round 1 pick for 15th place - Take Neil Erasmus/Josh Ward.	2034
1	5	Hawthorn	Round 1 pick for 14th place - Take Ben Hobbs but Mac Andrew isn't out of the question	1878
1	6	Carlton/Freo	Round 1 pick for 13th place - If Freo get it, I reckon they take Mac Andrew.	1751
1	7	Richmond	Round 1 pick for 12th place- ??????

 

[spook]

Its not that far off TBH

Daicos & Carcy are 2 of the 8 that will go before our pick

Horne Likely to be gone
Callaghan ditto
Roberts ditto
Abdrew ditto
Gibcus
Goater possible
Hobbs possible
Sinn likely
Rachele possible
etc etc

Roberts will slide, IMO. Hope we avoid. Too slow.

 

[Redford]

I have the order before ours like this at the moment.

1	1	North Melbourne	Round 1 pick for 18th place - Bid on Daicos- Collingwood match Take Jason Horne	3000
1	2	GWS	Round 1 pick for 17th place | Traded from Collingwood in 2020 live pick trade Bid on Sam Darcy- Dogs Match Take- Finn Callahan or Josh Gibcus	2517
1	3	Gold Coast	Round 1 pick for 16th place - Take Josh Gibcus or Finn Callahan or even Mac Andrew	2234
1	4	Adelaide	Round 1 pick for 15th place - Take Neil Erasmus/Josh Ward.	2034
1	5	Hawthorn	Round 1 pick for 14th place - Take Ben Hobbs but Mac Andrew isn't out of the question	1878
1	6	Carlton/Freo	Round 1 pick for 13th place - If Freo get it, I reckon they take Mac Andrew.	1751
1	7	Richmond	Round 1 pick for 12th place- ??????

Erasmus at 4 would be a surprise. Andrew at 5 or 6 as well.

 

[Gazmatron]

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We'd then have Picks 3, 15, 22, 26 and the later picks that I think we will package up and trade for a better pick.

Given the lack of play for draftees over the last 2 years I would be surprised if the club took around 4 from the draft and left 2 spots open for testing during the preseason similar to Mansell and Stack

 

[mrposhman]

Given the lack of play for draftees over the last 2 years I would be surprised if the club took around 4 from the draft and left 2 spots open for testing during the preseason similar to Mansell and Stack

Yeah I'm thinking 4 too.

I'm hoping we swap 26 with Collingwood for their 2nd next season, and then use the remaining 2 picks (plus the Chol compo) to get the Dogs 1st.

So in essence we would take 3, 15, 17 and 22 to the draft and have an extra 2nd next year.

 

[tigerdell]

Given the lack of play for draftees over the last 2 years I would be surprised if the club took around 4 from the draft and left 2 spots open for testing during the preseason similar to Mansell and Stack

Good Point and agree, but at the moment those are potentially draft picks 40 and 44.
As an example in 2017 both Charlie Ballard and Josh Worpel were drafted 40-45.
No guarantees but still a good chance of 1 or 2 good footballers.

Either we use 40 and 44 or we trade them out and keep slots for SSP as you say.

 

[eZyT]

CJ will be traded to GC probably for picks 19 and 22 and possibly for a pick up grade of our 7 to their 3, (Ward)?

We give GC CCJ and pick 7,

and get 3, 19 and 22?

now i know even ScoMo wouid be able to secure some crazy talk at this time of year,

but if your family overheard that trade delusion,

theyde call an ambulance.

your talking mega-trade. The kind of bounty you'de demand, and not get, for $hai or Noah.

your suggesting a duel premiership star price for a 0 premiership player, who could realistically go either way.

 

[Blind Charlie]

Haven't heard much talk around Mitch Knevitt, racked up some good numbers a month ago when named player of the week.
Tall mid that acquitted himself quite well in the VC v VM game.

 

[Smoking Aces]

We give GC CCJ and pick 7,

and get 3, 19 and 22?

now i know even ScoMo wouid be able to secure some crazy talk at this time of year,

but if your family overheard that trade delusion,

theyde call an ambulance.

your talking mega-trade. The kind of bounty you'de demand, and not get, for $hai or Noah.

your suggesting a duel premiership star price for a 0 premiership player, who could realistically go either way.

For us to get pick 3 it would most likely be pick 3 & pick 22 for pick 7 & CCJ.

 

[Smoking Aces]

I have the order before ours like this at the moment.

1	1	North Melbourne	Round 1 pick for 18th place - Bid on Daicos- Collingwood match Take Jason Horne	3000
1	2	GWS	Round 1 pick for 17th place | Traded from Collingwood in 2020 live pick trade Bid on Sam Darcy- Dogs Match Take- Finn Callahan or Josh Gibcus	2517
1	3	Gold Coast	Round 1 pick for 16th place - Take Josh Gibcus or Finn Callahan or even Mac Andrew	2234
1	4	Adelaide	Round 1 pick for 15th place - Take Neil Erasmus/Josh Ward.	2034
1	5	Hawthorn	Round 1 pick for 14th place - Take Ben Hobbs but Mac Andrew isn't out of the question	1878
1	6	Carlton/Freo	Round 1 pick for 13th place - If Freo get it, I reckon they take Mac Andrew.	1751
1	7	Richmond	Round 1 pick for 12th place- ??????

Some talk that Gibcus could be the slider.

 

[Smoking Aces]

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