Coronavirus

[Ridley]

All premiers have been guilty of making ill considered comments about other states and yes Gladys has done some things in a better way, not most but some.

Yes but none, not even Gladys, has presided over a worse pandemic outcome than Victoria. Dan is apparently the man. Everyone knows it is his way or the highway. He needs to be accountable for the outcomes; he can not keep deflecting.

The numbers do not lie.

 

[Sintiger]

I would welcome a Royal Commission into Australia’s handling of COVID as long as there are no limits to what/who they can investigate and all stakeholders (state and federal) must appear to answer questions. But... this is why there will never be a Royal Commision. I'm tipping the HQ errors in Victoria will pale into insignificance compared to the bigger errors made in Canberra and Sydney.

The problem I see with Royal commissions is that they tend to be run by lawyers. Any investigation into what has happened has to include people who actually understand how things like the health system work, in a practical sense. I think they are helpful in the sense of questioning decision making processes but they have to come up with practical achievable solutions, not just aims

I was able to read the outcome of the mental health royal commission in Victoria and whilst i didn't disagree with much of the flavour of the report many of the recommendations are made without any real understanding of what is required to achieve the recommended changes. Saying something needs to be done and understanding what has to happen for those things to be done are not the same thing

 

[Ian4]

Nah, disagree, vic state has so much to answer for compared to anyone else. So so much more.

Lol, gimme a spell. even Malcolm Turnbull says (and i'm paraphrasing) that the vaccine rollout is the biggest public administration failure since federation.

 

[Tigers of Old]

How's the rollout going Slomo!?

FFS that is the reason we are here.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Yes but none, not even Gladys, has presided over a worse pandemic outcome than Victoria. Dan is apparently the man. Everyone knows it is his way or the highway. He needs to be accountable for the outcomes; he can not keep deflecting.

The numbers do not lie.

Any comment on the PM of NSW sending the bulk of supply up North? That's what stemmed the bleeding.

 

[Redford]

How's the rollout going Slomo!?

FFS that is the reason we are here.

Of course it is. We - and other states including NSW - wouldn’t all be where we are now if we’d had an even half expedient and co-ordinated vaccine rollout.

The vaccine program always was, and still is, the only exit to the pandemic.

 

[TrialByVideo]

How's the rollout going Slomo!?

FFS that is the reason we are here.

No hurry. ..... "It's not a race."

(Dunno where them Hillsongers believe they go to at the end.... but if headstones are their thing... they can stick that on it!)

 

[Al Bundy]

Lol, gimme a spell. even Malcolm Turnbull says (and i'm paraphrasing) that the vaccine rollout is the biggest public administration failure since federation.

Haha. Talking of the failures in HQ last year and over 800 deaths. Give u a spell, yeah blame a newspaper for a current outbreak or go the deflection on another issue. Typical bias BS. Extrodinary funny. A newspaper criminal guilty of a covoid outbreak. Yeah no worries peddling a tune at a street corner. Newspaper hahahahaha, your a crack me up. Yeah heaven forbid someone says something against the govt. Its not China or Turkey the way they control narratives. Keep peddling. Gave me a great laugh.

 

[Sintiger]

What has he done to build capacity? The system is stressed now and we all know it’s going to get a lot worse. Health staff can’t even have a basic little holiday or go camping to recharge their batteries. How else are we going to protect the staff from burn out?

Lockdown is not going to work when unvaccinated idiots are going around doing what they like. And there is no way to stop them now. Last week unfortunately proved that.

It’s time for some forward thinking outlining the extra freedoms that people can enjoy outside if they are fully vaccinated. We need to reward the 90% of the population who are doing the right thing.

See my post on that MB

One thing that I will say is that the state government has to stop saying things about the health system that are purely a political response. I would much prefer they tell the truth.

For example when challenged about capacity and ability to cope Dan and Martin Foley basically say it's all under control and they say that because they don't want the political criticism. I can tell you that many in the system, the people under immense pressure, see that as minimising what they are going through and would far rather them say that system is under massive stress and that there is only so much we can do and explain why. They won't say that because they don't want the political flak.

I don't have enormous criticism about what has been done to meet demand since the pandemic started although I would have liked to have seen much more funding much quicker to catch up during the less intense times. The real criticism is about what has happened for the last 25 years or so, since Kennett. The system is funded to an inch of its life and there has not been enough investment in building and planning future capacity including workforce and infrastructure. There has been too much pandering to the medical lobby , the AMA and the specialist colleges which has resulted in not enough trained specialists in many areas.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Gladys was looking bad & Morrison came to her aid. In terms of backing her policies, financial support & vaccine supply.
He does not Govern for all Australians & it's not in their interests to see a State Labor government doing well.
Especially with their mate Rupert at their backs. Undermining at every turn.

 

[jb03]

A good cartoon has multiple layers and options to interpret it.

FWIW, I read it as

while chinese revolutionaries died to stop something horrendous,

Australian 'revolutionaries' pissed on the shrine of remembrance with impunity, standing up for the right to refuse a life saving medical miracle.

Ive got no dramas with others interpretations or reactions.

I think you have misinterpreted. Leunig is a rampant anti-vaxxer.

 

[Jason King]

Gladys was looking bad & Morrison came to her aid. In terms of backing her policies, financial support & vaccine supply.
He does not Govern for all Australians & it's not in their interests to see a State Labor government doing well.
Especially with their mate Rupert at their backs. Undermining at every turn.

He single handedly changed the rhetoric from elimination to "living with covid".

Is it any wonder we have so many nuffies and anti vaxxers uniting?

Once people have the too hard mindset there is no winning.

 

[Ridley]

Any comment on the PM of NSW sending the bulk of supply up North? That's what stemmed the bleeding.

If you read my posts at the time my position was very clear. It was outrageous; a disgrace. I call him the PM of Sydney; that's all he cares about.

But Dan can't keep blaming Slomo and Gladys for all of the failures of Victoria in this pandemic. He's gotta wear it; he is the Man.

 

[caesar]

Lol, gimme a spell. even Malcolm Turnbull says (and i'm paraphrasing) that the vaccine rollout is the biggest public administration failure since federation.

Clutching at straws Ian when you start quoting Malcolm Turnbull , ( jilted PM scorned ).

 

[MB78]

Haha. Talking of the failures in HQ last year and over 800 deaths. Give u a spell, yeah blame a newspaper for a current outbreak or go the deflection on another issue. Typical bias BS. Extrodinary funny. A newspaper criminal guilty of a covoid outbreak. Yeah no worries peddling a tune at a street corner. Newspaper hahahahaha, your a crack me up. Yeah heaven forbid someone says something against the govt. Its not China or Turkey the way they control narratives. Keep peddling. Gave me a great laugh.

No point arguing with Ian4.

His three great loves in order are Dan Andrews, Melbourne Victory and Richmond Football club.

So you need to accept that’s it’s the Fed’s, NSW and Murdoch press fault.

If rusted on ALP/Green voters questioned the policies of the government they would listen a lot more to these people as they are their voters, their meal tickets. At the moment there is stuff all accountability, parliament is not even open.

I just want accountability, personal responsibility and reward the efforts and the behaviours of those doing the right thing. Those that won’t get vaccinated don’t get any rewards.

 

[Tigers of Old]

If you read my posts at the time my position was very clear. It was outrageous; a disgrace. I call him the PM of Sydney; that's all he cares about.

But Dan can't keep blaming Slomo and Gladys for all of the failures of Victoria in this pandemic. He's gotta wear it; he is the Man.

No doubt he's ultimately responsible.
That said my own position is changing on this now.
Ive a lot less tolerance for lockdowns than I did.
Especially now that my family & friends are double vaccinated.
You can't protect people from themselves forever & if those eligible that haven't had a vaccine by now, my sympathy levels are very low if they get infected compared with early in the pandemic. Case numbers will grow as we open up. How can they not?

 

[Sintiger]

Haha. Talking of the failures in HQ last year and over 800 deaths.

Al, are you aware of how many HQ breaches there actually were last year? The answer is 2. Every state has had HQ breaches and somewhere on this thread is a list of how many. I believe that NSW actually has had more than Vic.
I have said over and over again on this site that the breaches were not the real issue, it was what happened afterwards. The contact tracing was poor but they were also lied to. Contact tracing was also the VIc governments responsibility clearly so they can’t walk away from that.
As soon as it got into aged care it was all over, that’s where the majority of deaths came from and as someone who is aware of how that played out I can tell you the conditions in some were appalling. SCOMO must take some responsibility for that, they regulate aged care.
Dan has enormous responsibility for what happened but if we say it was just him we will be wrong imo.
We have not had a problem with HQ since, our contact tracing is now so much better than it was then and aged care is much better protected. So we have learned from it.
However if we are going to take Dan to the gallows for those 800 deaths last year SCOMO and Coldbeck have to go with him imo.

 

[Ridley]

I just want accountability, personal responsibility and reward the efforts and the behaviours of those doing the right thing. Those that won’t get vaccinated don’t get any rewards.

Agree with this.

 

[eZyT]

I think you have misinterpreted. Leunig is a rampant anti-vaxxer.

I find that difficult to believe.

and Im not totally sure you can misinterpret a cartoon?

 

[Ridley]

No doubt he's ultimately responsible.
That said my own position is changing on this now.
Ive a lot less tolerance for lockdowns than I did.
Especially now that my family & friends are double vaccinated.
You can't protect people from themselves forever & if those eligible that haven't had a vaccine by now, my sympathy levels are very low if they get infected compared with early in the pandemic. Case numbers will grow as we open up. How can they not?

Yep totally agree with all of this. I have supported most of the Vic governments strategies but they are clearly not working now.