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2021 Draft Thread
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There are reports from W.A. that Freo knocked back pick 23 and a future first for pick 21 (Johnson). I don't know which club is sillier. I would happily of taken that deal for pick 15.
Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
Some of these pick trade offers indicate that top 21 picks were valued like gold, unlike some years.
If we weren't keen on Johnson which is clear we should have traded pick 15 to Hawthorn, picked up Brown at 23 & locked in a future first.
Suspect if Hawthorn offered us that deal on the first night, we would have.
But clubs get feverish overnight in the break between R's 1 and 2 - pick 19 is the new first rounder.
Always easier in hindsight.
I'm really concerned about the way this draft has panned out. I hope I'm wrong, clearly.
It's perplexing from a list management perspective. That's three consecutive drafts now without bringing in a contested ball winner. The nearest may have been Dow and Martyn in 2019. Do we think we have the cattle in place for the next 5+ years or are we being belligerent, trusting that our turnover game will magically get the job done again in 2022?
It'd be less concerning if there was more confidence around the young inside mids we have. I'm an RCD fan but not everyone is. I think a lot rests on his shoulders in the next few years. Maybe we have an established midfield bull coming in 2023. I hope so.
The weighting of picks for players behind the ball was odd. I get the 'best available' approach but the secret to getting this right is the point where it intersects with needs. To be clear: I think the Gibcus selection will probably prove to be the right move, even though I'm now pretty certain Hobbs will turn out to be a very good player.
But I can't for the life of me support the Brown pick. It's one thing to say we're drafting an elite-kicking half back flanker to meet the style of the modern game, quite another to then ignore another proven need around winning first / contested possession. You can't have it both ways. Then we doubled down with Banks ... weird!
Furthermore, unless Gibcus or maybe Balta are going to be moved forward of the ball, we haven't addressed another concern—a lack of up-and-coming key forward talent. Heaven help us if Lynch or Riewoldt miss extended games. Is Samson supposed to be the answer? If so, that's a wild overreach at this stage.
Maybe the players we needed were off the board. If so, why not move a pick or two into 2022? Chances are there will be more exposed form and confidence around the 2022 crop.
Given all the uncertainty, I was actually convinced we wouldn't take our five picks to this draft. I think we've played a very dangerous game. It could be a long time before we have a draft hand like this one again.
If we continue to suck at winning clearances and contested ball in 2022, I'll be filthy. Not because we could have drafted an inside mid in 2021 who would have had an immediate and game-changing impact next season, but because it will be another year before we can go back to the well and address this need.
And it could make watching the Tigers in 2022 a very frustrating experience.
It's perplexing from a list management perspective. That's three consecutive drafts now without bringing in a contested ball winner. The nearest may have been Dow and Martyn in 2019. Do we think we have the cattle in place for the next 5+ years or are we being belligerent, trusting that our turnover game will magically get the job done again in 2022?
It'd be less concerning if there was more confidence around the young inside mids we have. I'm an RCD fan but not everyone is. I think a lot rests on his shoulders in the next few years. Maybe we have an established midfield bull coming in 2023. I hope so.
The weighting of picks for players behind the ball was odd. I get the 'best available' approach but the secret to getting this right is the point where it intersects with needs. To be clear: I think the Gibcus selection will probably prove to be the right move, even though I'm now pretty certain Hobbs will turn out to be a very good player.
But I can't for the life of me support the Brown pick. It's one thing to say we're drafting an elite-kicking half back flanker to meet the style of the modern game, quite another to then ignore another proven need around winning first / contested possession. You can't have it both ways. Then we doubled down with Banks ... weird!
Furthermore, unless Gibcus or maybe Balta are going to be moved forward of the ball, we haven't addressed another concern—a lack of up-and-coming key forward talent. Heaven help us if Lynch or Riewoldt miss extended games. Is Samson supposed to be the answer? If so, that's a wild overreach at this stage.
Maybe the players we needed were off the board. If so, why not move a pick or two into 2022? Chances are there will be more exposed form and confidence around the 2022 crop.
Given all the uncertainty, I was actually convinced we wouldn't take our five picks to this draft. I think we've played a very dangerous game. It could be a long time before we have a draft hand like this one again.
If we continue to suck at winning clearances and contested ball in 2022, I'll be filthy. Not because we could have drafted an inside mid in 2021 who would have had an immediate and game-changing impact next season, but because it will be another year before we can go back to the well and address this need.
And it could make watching the Tigers in 2022 a very frustrating experience.
What would you say if Hardwick moved Balta in as a ruck rover.
The kid HMS Gibcus might not play senior footy next year but i defiantly can see Miller getting used more often.
Im expecting positional changes all over the ground.
Mansel more mid time, Dow too.
Stack forward .
Balta utility.
Lynch up the ground similiar to McDonald at Melbourne.
Rioli To stay Back.
Baker defensive midfielder.
Castagna captain
I reckon a fair bit of this will happen, but I'm not sure how much of it should. It would really recast the side. Maybe that's what we need? It could also see us drop enough early games to put us right behind the eight ball.
I can definitely see Hardwick using Balta in the ruck rover role. He would be amazing. I think Blicavs is wasted at full back, for example. That tall, mobile guy around the ground makes you so much less predictable. Stack going forward makes sense now that we have 25 other options for half back flank.
I loved Rioli off half back and I'm not worried like some about his distance kicking. But with Brown coming in, I can see we want more kicking penetration as part of a fast turnover game plan.
Castagna as captain? No brainer
Yeah like 17 said I doubt we were offered that. We would have lost Brown to Sydney if we did the deal although I suspect we would have deemed it worth it.
As Gia said its likely Brown went to Sydney or Brisbane.
As it turned out, luckily for us, both those clubs picked surprises
A future first from hawthorn. Which is likely to be top 3.
Something not right about that deal
Sounds like a Geelong move
We missed a golden opportunity at 17, even without adjusting the personnel we could have dropped down the order a smidgeon and bolstered our 2022 hand. I can handle picking up a rebounding flanker but not so high, I get the fact we wanted good kicks but Johnson ticks all those boxes and then some. When I question our ranking system I can only conclude we wanted Vic talent, I think our solitary scout in WA either got drowned out by the masses or focused more on the poor matches. When a player wins BOG in state footy, averages 25 touches in Reserves finals, possesses elite agility, registers in at 192cm & clocks a sub 3 sec sprint time you would be a fool not to seriously consider. We actually need a polished link man more than we need a inside player, they are also notoriously difficult to find outside the top 20. If we were keen on Cerra then this was a no brainer selection.
If you scan the best rebounders in the comp you will see they can be sourced from anywhere outside the top 20, history doesn't lie where this is concerned and the fact we picked up Bach for a packet of crisps should have been our historical yardstick.
Short - rookie draft
Saad - rookie draft
Lloyd - rookie draft
Crisp - pick 86
Ryan - pick 66
Daniel - pick 46
Got to play the percentages, this is what I'm alluding to when I call out a reach in the context of meeting our list requirements. The downside of Brown should also have come into consideration because we're talking outright bust if his contested game falls apart at the next level. I don't share the same concerns with Johnson, I think his role is simply too valuable and he's the most likely to take over from Mundy when he decides to hang up the boots. Guys with Johnson's height can also be thrown around the park a bit so his floor is much higher.
I was certain we would pick Johnson as well and hoped we would but Richmond and other clubs must of had a concern about something in his game, he seems to tick all boxes, I can only think it is his intensity.
That's a longshot but you never know, I'm thinking more along the lines of Jasper Pittard, good career but not spectacular. Picked up at 16, same height & similar game style. Nat Fyfe goes at 19, Carlisle at 24, Duncan at 27, Gunston at 28. This is a good illustration as to the opportunity cost when you go reaching for this player type.
im guessing, because I've never seen him play,
but my guess is one way running,
which isnt tolerated by Richmond these days, even in a junior
I had the champagne bottle ready in anticipation, I thought it was a shoe in but we've clearly seen something we don't like. Maybe intensity but is Pendles an intense player? Not really, you can't go looking a gift horse in the mouth, his role was clearly defined so he wasn't expected to be burrowing in the bottom of packs. When Johnson fills out he will be a unit, prototype midfielder who has a 2:1 kick to handball ratio, probably the most important position on the ground when sizing up the midfielders. Contested players you can also source from anywhere in the draft, this one was the hard piece to find.
