2022 Draft Thread

[momentai]

As I have been saying for some time now a decision to trade away next years first would be a colossal mistake.
The decision on how we deal with GWS has in all likelihood already been agreed.
Suspect we will have an answer in the next 48 hours.

 

[Ripplestick]

I were not necessarily thinking 2023 more by the 2024 trading/free agency period I just think Blair is too good an operator now to not have someone lined up, we'll see Pie's have been trying for year's now to find one and have had to settle for McInerney after missing out on Lynch so you could be right.

Hipwood
Harry and Ben McKay

are the main key position free agents at the end of next year.

Wouldn't think we'd chase Hipwood and Harry McKay won't leave Carlton.... and Ben in a backman.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

As I have been saying for some time now a decision to trade away next years first would be a colossal mistake.
The decision on how we deal with GWS has in all likelihood already been agreed.
Suspect we will have an answer in the next 48 hours.

None of us wanted that to happen but in reality that was the most likely scenario. Talented players in the prime of their careers don’t come cheap

 

[momentai]

None of us wanted that to happen but in reality that was the most likely scenario. Talented players in the prime of their careers don’t come cheap

l don’t intend to cause offence but don’t talk about not wanting it to happen. It should never happen, in any circumstances, and that should be our reputation.

 

[tigersnake]

As I have been saying for some time now a decision to trade away next years first would be a colossal mistake.
The decision on how we deal with GWS has in all likelihood already been agreed.
Suspect we will have an answer in the next 48 hours.

yeah we know, we hear ya. But you sound like that ancient old guy who says you should never go into debt for anything, ever. Save up and pay for your house with cash. Its a valid view. But its old fashioned and there are plenty of other ways to do it.

Debt is fine. As long as you have a good plan, and can pay it back.

You say colossal mistake and should never happen, I'm fine with it. Its all about the deal.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

l don’t intend to cause offence but don’t talk about not wanting it to happen. It should never happen, in any circumstances, and that should be our reputation.

Well it looks like it is going to happen and it is hardly new, a lot of other clubs including the last two premiers have already done it so maybe we are just moving with the times.

 

[Dont Argue]

Well it looks like it is going to happen and it is hardly knew, a lot of other clubs including the last two premiers have already done it so maybe we are just moving with the times.

Correct.
Premierships are the only things that matter.
Once achieved, the rest are semantics and distant memories

 

[momentai]

yeah we know, we hear ya. But you sound like that ancient old guy who says you should never go into debt for anything, ever. Save up and pay for your house with cash. Its a valid view. But its old fashioned and there are plenty of other ways to do it.

Debt is fine. As long as you have a good plan, and can pay it back.

You say colossal mistake and should never happen, I'm fine with it. Its all about the deal.

Not going into debt has nothing to do with it. Don’t simply disagree because you think the idea old fashioned.

We are talking about a massive gamble on top of a massive gamble. I have been through the arguments and won’t do so again here. And I have suggested another option, which no one has sought to debate.

It would be again a colossal mistake, which for the record, I don’t think Blair will make.

 

[tigersnake]

Not going into debt has nothing to do with it. Don’t simply disagree because you think the idea old fashioned.

We are talking about a massive gamble on top of a massive gamble. I have been through the arguments and won’t do so again here. And I have suggested another option, which no one has sought to debate.

It would be again a colossal mistake, which for the record, I don’t think Blair will make.

Mate I sympathise with your view and respect your right to have it. It is old fashioned, but thats not the main reason I disagree with it, I have plenty of old fashioned ideas. I love old fashioned.

 

[year of the tiger]

We are loading up on midfielders for the now - our KPF stock right now are OK - Jack and Lynch plus add Martin and we want another crack at a flag in 2023 whilst they are all still playing. In 3 years time, they maybe all gonski.

It’s high risk game and we are in it, hence the future first is most likely on the table and the club doesn’t see us doing a pies and crashing to the bottom without their first pick (2 wasn’t it).

I am really nervous about it but it’s not that stupid when I step back and think about it.

 

[DavidSSS]

I don't reckon the draft is the guarantee of anything much. Players drafted high remain hit or miss. Otherwise the last few Grand Finals would have been Gold Coast v GWS.

As for midfielders, yeah, common as, that's why we are struggling to find any. 2 quality mids is worth a high price (gee, maybe they're not so common and are actually hard to find), if that means next year's first round pick then so be it. In any case, next year's first round pick could end up being a dud, we know Tarranto and Hopper are not duds.

DS

 

[tigersnake]

I don't reckon the draft is the guarantee of anything much. Players drafted high remain hit or miss. Otherwise the last few Grand Finals would have been Gold Coast v GWS.

As for midfielders, yeah, common as, that's why we are struggling to find any. 2 quality mids is worth a high price (gee, maybe they're not so common and are actually hard to find), if that means next year's first round pick then so be it. In any case, next year's first round pick could end up being a dud, we know Tarranto and Hopper are not duds.

DS

There are no guarantees, but all flag sides are built around a couple of top 4 or 5 draft picks that are hits.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

Well its looking like we wont have any picks until after #45 this year so Clarke is going to have to dig deep into his magic tricks to pull something special out.

If Soldo is traded a young Ruckman or should we go State league in the mid season draft
KPF ? that late who is left Harry Lemmy ? was looking like a top 5 pick now perhaps #45

 

[bullus_hit]

Well its looking like we wont have any picks until after #45 this year so Clarke is going to have to dig deep into his magic tricks to pull something special out.

If Soldo is traded a young Ruckman or should we go State league in the mid season draft
KPF ? that late who is left Harry Lemmy ? was looking like a top 5 pick now perhaps #45

Knobel a decent target, might be too late however. Harry Barnett is probably the best pure ruckman but I doubt he lasts until the third round. I think we're putting all the eggs into the Taranto/Hopper basket, some career defining calls being made this year.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

Well its looking like we wont have any picks until after #45 this year so Clarke is going to have to dig deep into his magic tricks to pull something special out.

If Soldo is traded a young Ruckman or should we go State league in the mid season draft
KPF ? that late who is left Harry Lemmy ? was looking like a top 5 pick now perhaps #45

Apparently GWS aren't after a ruckman so not sure what is happening with Soldo if anything.

 

[Scoop]

Every year there are midfield defections, some cheaper than others, Brodie a classic example from last year. I think all this draft capital is being wasted on a plentiful resource, inside midfielders probably the easiest hole to plug from a list management perspective.

A plentiful resource is a stretch. Why doesn't every club have a 10-deep midfield if that's the case? It's not the easiest at all. You need one ruck and every club has two or three, it's about finding the right one. Look at the Grand FInal, Hickey and Stanley both retreads.

We haven't had a deep midfield for years. Brodie is the exception, not the rule. They aren't there every year.

Who are this year's Brodies if they are plentiful? Is it Fiorini at 600k?

 

[bullus_hit]

Not going into debt has nothing to do with it. Don’t simply disagree because you think the idea old fashioned.

We are talking about a massive gamble on top of a massive gamble. I have been through the arguments and won’t do so again here. And I have suggested another option, which no one has sought to debate.

It would be again a colossal mistake, which for the record, I don’t think Blair will make.

If old fashioned is not wanting to trade 3 top 20 picks, wanting to grab pick 7 for a former top 10 pick and wanting an elite ruck for nicks then I'm guilty as hell. This smells like a Shiel deal to me, another one of these locked & loaded pop gun experiences. I much preferred it when we made it policy to protect first rounders, Francis Jackson's first tranche of top picks produced Riewoldt (13), Rance (18), Cotch (2), Dusty (3), Vlastuin (9), Vickery (8.......later becoming Bolton). So quickly we forget & I wear my old fuddy duddy hat with pride, I'm a flare wearer in a mullet era, no dramas.

 

[mrposhman]

If old fashioned is not wanting to trade 3 top 20 picks, wanting to grab pick 7 for a former top 10 pick and wanting an elite ruck for nicks then I'm guilty as hell. This smells like a Shiel deal to me, another one of these locked & loaded pop gun experiences. I much preferred it when we made it policy to protect first rounders, Francis Jackson's first tranche of top picks produced Riewoldt (13), Rance (18), Cotch (2), Dusty (3), Vlastuin (9), Vickery (8.......later becoming Bolton). So quickly we forget & I wear my old fuddy duddy hat with pride, I'm a flare wearer in a mullet era, no dramas.

Yes those picks did build our flag team, thats no question, but we didn't play finals until the 4th year after getting Dusty, that was Jack and Sheddas 7th year.

This is a well trodden path for the draft BUT by doing that, we waste the remaining years of our current group, whilst getting mediocre first round draft picks. We would have to fall completely off a cliff, to get a few years of top 5 draft picks. We are aiming to do this rebuild / reset backwards. Ie. we have all the supporting cast, we just don't have those top line midfielders anymore (we only have Prestia) so we are looking to do it via trade.

Just because its a different strategy to the 1 you want doesn't mean its bad. Focusing everything on the draft won't get us close to flag with our current group, and that means we waste the remaining years of Cotch, Jack, Lynch, Martin, Grimes, Tarrant, Broad, McIntosh, Pickett etc by being also rans in the next few years. To take that step from finalists, to premiership contenders we need to add quality NOW, not in 3-4 years once they've matured.

I understand your concern on the talls particularly, and we all have the same concerns about who is coming in for Jack, but if our plan is to go for Marshall in 2 years as a FA then this will be genius and will keep us in premiership contention for at least another 5 years. Don't be expecting too many top 10 draft picks during that time.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

If old fashioned is not wanting to trade 3 top 20 picks, wanting to grab pick 7 for a former top 10 pick and wanting an elite ruck for nicks then I'm guilty as hell. This smells like a Shiel deal to me, another one of these locked & loaded pop gun experiences. I much preferred it when we made it policy to protect first rounders, Francis Jackson's first tranche of top picks produced Riewoldt (13), Rance (18), Cotch (2), Dusty (3), Vlastuin (9), Vickery (8.......later becoming Bolton). So quickly we forget & I wear my old fuddy duddy hat with pride, I'm a flare wearer in a mullet era, no dramas.

If it makes it easier to accept, just think of the club trading for a pick 2 and a pick 7 but they have already done their apprenticeship and are ready to go.

 

[jb03]

Knobel a decent target, might be too late however. Harry Barnett is probably the best pure ruckman but I doubt he lasts until the third round. I think we're putting all the eggs into the Taranto/Hopper basket, some career defining calls being made this year.

I would take Knobel with any 3rd round pick and beyond. Looks a great prospect to me.