Samson Ryan

[btoz_01]

With the stand rule reducing the impact of chaos and pressure, is the super-tall forward line the new wave that Samson can surf?

Big is back: Dogs, Demons headline budding trend up forward

AFL clubs are weighing up potentially sacrificing some forward-half pressure to be more aerially dominant ahead of the start of the new season.

www.theage.com.au

We need to tinker with our game plan as more talls in the forward line is where the game is going
I expect Samson to surf the wave

 

[spook]

Samson doesn't have to dominate. Just his presence up forward means he or Jack get the #3 back, and makes it hard for teams to double-team Lynch. Take the weekend. May was on Lynch, Petty on Jack and Lever likes to play on no one, so his nominal opponent was Cumbo. And Gawn was dropping back and taking Lynch at times to free up May.

Now add Samson to the mix. Who takes him? Petty? Does that mean Lever has to play on Jack? Or one of Gawn and Grundy sets up camp in our F50 and backs themselves to beat Samson for the air ball. It's a more even contest group-for-group. Lynch will be one-out.

Either way, to beat Melbourne (and Geelong) we'll need to hit up leading targets better than we did on Saturday.

This week's match sim will be telling.

 

[momentai]

Reckon it’s pretty obvious why not play both , we would become way to slow forward and not have anywhere near enough defensive forward pressure . Hope I’m wrong but Jack playing on I think is a mistake , in saying that it’s obvious why he and the club agreed for him to give it one more year . I think will see Bolton forward a lot as well

Failures across the ground against the D’s make selection pretty difficult v the Blues.

Although Ryan is quite quick for his size, I can’t see us playing him alongside Jack.
Like Jack he is a forward. And seemingly not yet ready for much work on the ball, at the level.

They are clearly thinking about him however and possibly also the inclusion of Miller, but as a defender.
Hard to see how the pieces will fit even at this late stage.

Maybe

B Broad Miller Grimes
HB Vlastuin Balta Rioli D,
C McIntosh Prestia Pickett
HF Martin Bolton Rioli M Jr
OF Cumberland Lynch Riewoldt/Ryan
(Can’t see Jack out of the team at this point, but this might mean Miller or zBalta would come out of defence to allow Nank a break)?
R Nankervis Hopper Taranto
I/C Baker Clarke Cotchin and Short.
Sub Young.

TBC Colina Gibcus Graham Smith and Tarrant.

 

[Brodders17]

Article is a bit slow on the uptake. That was a theory being thrown around by many when the stand rule first came in - including Dimma and the club.

It’s one reason why Geelong went and got Jeremy Cameron.

Nah, the Cats got Cameron cos he is a pretty good footballer, and what they had on their list wasnt quite enough.

When we won in 2017, the 2nd best team in the league played 3 tall forwards. When we dominated in 2019 we played 2 tall forwards, and one slow forward (Caddy)- it may as well have been 3 talls. and 2 rucks. The Dees won it in 2021 with 3 talls, plus Gawn. Last year the Cats won with 1 big stay at home forward, and a 2nd forward who ran from the backline up forward and back again. their rucks were not effective forwards. The dogs are trialling 4 tall forwards cos they 4 potentially good tall forwards (they are all mobile which helps)

Teams, including us, need to pick the best with what theyve got. For us I expect that will be 2 tall forwards, (Jack& Lynch), 1 ruck (Nank) and then a battle for the 2nd ruck spot (Miller, Ryan & Soldo). It will depend who comes out on top how much time they then play forward.

 

[Brodders17]

we'll need to hit up leading targets better than we did on Saturday.

yep. not even the fantasy version of Samson Ryan will help us if we bomb the ball to the backs advantage like we did for 3 quarters on Saturday.

 

[TigerFurious]

The three tall forward line is like fusion power. Lot of big promises, apparently works in theory but no one has really delivered yet.

I expect plenty of clubs will try it out early, some might even have a bit of success too but like Mr fusion, maintaining the reaction for any meaningful length of time is the really hard part. I would be very surprised if any club in contention is persisting with a three tall strategy come July/August.

It’s a running game and has been for a number of years now. Playing too many talls takes away from your running power. Unless they are marking the ball, they quickly become a liability.

 

[tigerman]

Not a bad read from a couple of years ago.

Sherwood’s Samson Ryan to make his AFL debut for Richmond | AFL Queensland

www.aflq.com.au

 

[momentai]

Article is a bit slow on the uptake. That was a theory being thrown around by many when the stand rule first came in - including Dimma and the club.

It’s one reason why Geelong went and got Jeremy Cameron.

Interesting take. Arrived at Geelong in time for 21, but before the introduction of the stand rule.
As you imply Geelong knew.

 

[The Big Richo]

With the stand rule reducing the impact of chaos and pressure, is the super-tall forward line the new wave that Samson can surf?

Big is back: Dogs, Demons headline budding trend up forward

AFL clubs are weighing up potentially sacrificing some forward-half pressure to be more aerially dominant ahead of the start of the new season.

www.theage.com.au

Not sure who wrote that article but they don't know the game at all.

Playing big guys up forward might improve your contested marking stats but the best team takes about 11 of those a game, and there is half a mark a quarter between best and last in the comp. It's a minimal factor in scoring, even if you lifted it by 25%.

You take marks inside 50 by forward line system, speed and ball use and through the quality of your forward 50 entries. Those things, as well as the places most scores do come from; scores from turnover and scores from repeat entry; very much rely on pressure and mobility up forward, to deny the opposition the ability to transition well and give the chance to create turnover and hold forward territory.

If you reduce your players with capacity to apply forward pressure to increase bigger marking players who are less mobile and less quick then you are either a genius who has discovered a previously unknown method or you are destroying your chances.

 

[Redford]

Nah, the Cats got Cameron cos he is a pretty good footballer, and what they had on their list wasnt quite enough.

When we won in 2017, the 2nd best team in the league played 3 tall forwards. When we dominated in 2019 we played 2 tall forwards, and one slow forward (Caddy)- it may as well have been 3 talls. and 2 rucks. The Dees won it in 2021 with 3 talls, plus Gawn. Last year the Cats won with 1 big stay at home forward, and a 2nd forward who ran from the backline up forward and back again. their rucks were not effective forwards. The dogs are trialling 4 tall forwards cos they 4 potentially good tall forwards (they are all mobile which helps)

Teams, including us, need to pick the best with what theyve got. For us I expect that will be 2 tall forwards, (Jack& Lynch), 1 ruck (Nank) and then a battle for the 2nd ruck spot (Miller, Ryan & Soldo). It will depend who comes out on top how much time they then play forward.

We played one tall in 2017. The rule came in 2021. The Demons win it with a bunch of talls/rucks pushing forward in 21 and the Cats in 22 with 2 talls and Stanley pushing forward.

Clubs knew the importance of having a minimum of 2 talls and a drifting forward ruck when the rule change came in.

This isn’t anything new.

 

[The Big Richo]

Stanley pushing forward.

Stanley didn't push forward, he would ruck and then roll to key back to allow Blicavs to roam and protect Stewart's ability to intercept mark.

 

[craig]

I don’t think we will pick him yet. If we did you would pick him in front of Miller.
Is he ready to ruck yet?

Depending on Tarrants fitness we might be picking them both.

 

[Redford]

Stanley didn't push forward, he would ruck and then roll to key back to allow Blicavs to roam and protect Stewart's ability to intercept mark.

Averaged 0.5 marks per game inside the forward 50 which, for a ruckman is considered above average.

 

[Brodders17]

We played one tall in 2017. The rule came in 2021. The Demons win it with a bunch of talls/rucks pushing forward in 21 and the Cats in 22 with 2 talls and Stanley pushing forward.

Clubs knew the importance of having a minimum of 2 talls and a drifting forward ruck when the rule change came in.

This isn’t anything new.

in 2017 we played 1 tall forward, and 1 ruck. in 2019 we played 2 tall forwards and 2 rucks. you play what you've got. not what the supposed latest trend is.

 

[Redford]

in 2017 we played 1 tall forward, and 1 ruck. in 2019 we played 2 tall forwards and 2 rucks. you play what you've got. not what the supposed latest trend is.

Think youre running off track and conflating the past and OUR list pre stand rule and what all clubs have been applying or considering post stand rule.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

For me im playing Samson Ryan in round 1

* Stand Rule
* Extra Umpire seems to focus on pinging defenders against Fowards and good luck defending legally against a kid 207cm
*Carlto have wietering and young and thats about it for tall backs

Put Ryan at FF and keep Wietering glued to the goal square and jack and lynch run out

 

[BillyJean17]

Samson doesn't have to dominate. Just his presence up forward means he or Jack get the #3 back, and makes it hard for teams to double-team Lynch. Take the weekend. May was on Lynch, Petty on Jack and Lever likes to play on no one, so his nominal opponent was Cumbo. And Gawn was dropping back and taking Lynch at times to free up May.

Now add Samson to the mix. Who takes him? Petty? Does that mean Lever has to play on Jack? Or one of Gawn and Grundy sets up camp in our F50 and backs themselves to beat Samson for the air ball. It's a more even contest group-for-group. Lynch will be one-out.

Either way, to beat Melbourne (and Geelong) we'll need to hit up leading targets better than we did on Saturday.

This week's match sim will be telling.

Good thinking 99

 

[Smoking Aces]

Dunno but Darcy is only 19 remember. Sampson is 22.

That’s a huge difference at this stage of Darcy’s development.

Darcy also didn’t play his first game of VFL football last year until late May because of a stress fracture in his foot.

Stop it SA, comparing Samson Ryan 's talent to Sam Darcy is rubbish.

That is outrageous, Darcy is so far ahead of Ryan already and has shown so much more at the AFL level.

Comparing the two is the peak of the Ryan hype. And ultimately unfair to Ryan.

I am not comparing talent. I am comparing the two in terms of both being physically ready to play at AFL level.

Darcy got games early because the Dogs didn’t have a Lynch and Riewoldt. Their forward line was held up by Naughton only. He played out of necessity and not form.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Samson doesn't have to dominate. Just his presence up forward means he or Jack get the #3 back, and makes it hard for teams to double-team Lynch. Take the weekend. May was on Lynch, Petty on Jack and Lever likes to play on no one, so his nominal opponent was Cumbo. And Gawn was dropping back and taking Lynch at times to free up May.

Now add Samson to the mix. Who takes him? Petty? Does that mean Lever has to play on Jack? Or one of Gawn and Grundy sets up camp in our F50 and backs themselves to beat Samson for the air ball. It's a more even contest group-for-group. Lynch will be one-out.

Either way, to beat Melbourne (and Geelong) we'll need to hit up leading targets better than we did on Saturday.

This week's match sim will be telling.

Couldn’t agree more. No one is expecting Samson to be our number 1 dominant forward. We have Lynch for that. But structurally it changes the look of our forward line and make the opposition more accountable.

 

[Redford]

I am not comparing talent. I am comparing the two in terms of both being physically ready to play at AFL level.

Darcy got games early because the Dogs didn’t have a Lynch and Riewoldt. Their forward line was held up by Naughton only. He played out of necessity and not form.

Your question was “who is the more advanced ?” which on its face value I took as being somewhat apples and oranges given one is 19 and the other 22.

Maybe you meant “who’s most ready to play ?” or “who could have the most impact ?”

Whatevs. I’ll go with Darcy.