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Kane Cornes
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Can’t read it either but it will be a cold day in hell when ignorance of an issue stops me from having an opinion on it.
Collectively, I think we gave up picks 12, 19, 31 and a future first rounder for both Taranto and Hopper. The future first rounder is an unknown but for arguments sake, let’s assume it’s around pick 12 again. Historically, players taken at those picks have around a 30-40% chance of playing at least 100 games. I reckon that’s a fair bit less than either Hopper or Taranto playing that many games for our club. Even less chance that at least two of those picks play 100+ game compared with both Taranto and Hopper.
Draft picks in the late first round, second round stage are basically a coin flip. It is not just our recruiters, every club that has had picks in this range have struggled to consistently find good talent. Every. Club.
We traded out a high risk, very high reward situation, for a very low risk, high reward situation. There are no guarantees in life, but Taranto and Hopper each playing 100+ quality games for our club is as close to a certainty as you can get. Obviously, the future first rounder could come back to bite if we crash and burn this year and it end up a too 5 pick but that is the risk.
The deal was a good one for the club and the right thing to do.
Collectively, I think we gave up picks 12, 19, 31 and a future first rounder for both Taranto and Hopper. The future first rounder is an unknown but for arguments sake, let’s assume it’s around pick 12 again. Historically, players taken at those picks have around a 30-40% chance of playing at least 100 games. I reckon that’s a fair bit less than either Hopper or Taranto playing that many games for our club. Even less chance that at least two of those picks play 100+ game compared with both Taranto and Hopper.
Draft picks in the late first round, second round stage are basically a coin flip. It is not just our recruiters, every club that has had picks in this range have struggled to consistently find good talent. Every. Club.
We traded out a high risk, very high reward situation, for a very low risk, high reward situation. There are no guarantees in life, but Taranto and Hopper each playing 100+ quality games for our club is as close to a certainty as you can get. Obviously, the future first rounder could come back to bite if we crash and burn this year and it end up a too 5 pick but that is the risk.
The deal was a good one for the club and the right thing to do.
U mean when Hardwick finishes he's at least coached 3 premierships and Hinkley has none!!Don’t bother
Why Hardwick’s Clarkson-esque trade gamble at Richmond could blow up
The Tigers’ strategy - to go all-in at the trade table and to back in its ageing list - could backfire dramatically and set the club back years.www.theage.com.au
Quick quiz - if you do bother to read it - How many mistakes are in there ? and How many negative assumptions/forecasts does he make about the tigers?
Hawks drafted 5 in the main draft the next two years after 2015.Don’t bother
Why Hardwick’s Clarkson-esque trade gamble at Richmond could blow up
The Tigers’ strategy - to go all-in at the trade table and to back in its ageing list - could backfire dramatically and set the club back years.
Quick quiz - if you do bother to read it - How many mistakes are in there ? and How many negative assumptions/forecasts does he make about the tigers?
Richmond drafted 7 in the main draft after the 2020 flag season, including 5 in 2021.
How did we blow up this ship? The only reason it'll bomb is not Taranto and Hopper, they're going to be top 5 RFC players for the next 5-7 years.
That's just dumb!!
The same way the Hawks bombed was not due to O'Meara and Mitchell, one freaking won a Brownlow, they just didn't get good enough players coming through with them.
That's the same reason it will fail at Richmond - Will our young recruits come through as you'd hope they would?
Will Banks replace McIntosh/Pickett?
WIll Brown replace Broad?
Will Young be good enough to replace Tarrant?
Will Sonsie take over Cotchin's spot?
Will Clarke replace Castagna?
Will Campbell be an AFL Player?
Will Steely Green make a good hit song?
Gibcus not included, he's already a lock
I subscribed to read it, it's a pretty good summary of the risk/reward aspects of our strategy.
I don't agree we have an injury crisis but I see how it can appear that way to a layperson, I'm more bullish on what Taranto will bring, less wary about Hopper and disagree on Cotchin, but otherwise I think he makes some pretty solid points.
As always, whoever is right will depend on how the results go. Top 4 or bust.
I don't agree we have an injury crisis but I see how it can appear that way to a layperson, I'm more bullish on what Taranto will bring, less wary about Hopper and disagree on Cotchin, but otherwise I think he makes some pretty solid points.
As always, whoever is right will depend on how the results go. Top 4 or bust.
He was talking to Healy and they were asking each what's Dekonging worth.
They both agree at 1mil a season and then for no apparent reason he said that if Tarranto is worth pick 12 & 19 DeDonkykong should be worth more.
1st thing tottaly different players. Tarranto has already proven he is worth the 2 picks.
Why didn't he compare him to the spoilt brat at Port or What Freo gave up for Jackson.
I just notice he is the 1st to use us as a example when he trying to prove a point..
He is just a dikhead plain and simple and I guarantee you that Hutchison loves it.
They both agree at 1mil a season and then for no apparent reason he said that if Tarranto is worth pick 12 & 19 DeDonkykong should be worth more.
1st thing tottaly different players. Tarranto has already proven he is worth the 2 picks.
Why didn't he compare him to the spoilt brat at Port or What Freo gave up for Jackson.
I just notice he is the 1st to use us as a example when he trying to prove a point..
He is just a dikhead plain and simple and I guarantee you that Hutchison loves it.
Nothing that prick says about Richmond is Solid.
He hates Hardwick with passion
In a nutshell that we've backed the play of bringing in two players at a significant cost and is the rest of our list in good enough shape to make that wise.
Is 7 years a good investment for those two boys given the potential for our list to drop away in the next few years.
That if our thinking is wrong and we don't get success, it will have set us back on the path to another tilt and will require a longer period to get there.
That apart from Sonsie and Gibcus the talent of our players under 22 is largely unknown at this point and we aren't in a position to access much more talent from last year or this year. If those players don't come on as we would like then there's going to be a big void.
Hardwick isn't necessarily motivated by the long term best interests of the list, because he probably won't stay for the regeneration.
All pretty fair and reasonable points I reckon.
What under 22 players have Port got?
Georgiadis, going to WC or Essendon
The spoilt brat??
Power Pepper??
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The deal was a good one for the club and the right thing to do.
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Fair comment there.
And the efficiency of the trade needs to be judged in the light of our circumstances that prevailed at season’s end 2022.
It would not be fair or reasonable to expect to review the effectiveness post 2023, when hopefully we have Pick 18 as befits the Premiers!!
The deal was a good one for the club and the right thing to do.
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Fair comment there.
And the efficiency of the trade needs to be judged in the light of our circumstances that prevailed at season’s end 2022.
It would not be fair or reasonable to expect to review the effectiveness post 2023, when hopefully we have Pick 18 as befits the Premiers!!
We have just won 3 flags, we have a 10 year rebuild now.
What's the rush??
That's Port done?? What's Stkilda done?
He is so jealous of Hardwick.
Clarkson would kod him.
He didn't say, it's almost as though that article had nothing at all to do with Port.
This might need to be bookmarked to refer to when we lose our first game this season and you are posting in the game day thread.
R u a Richmond supporterThis might need to be bookmarked to refer to when we lose our first game this season and you are posting in the game day thread.
He's just standing by his original bs when we traded them. Does this moron really expect sudden success with Hop & Taz? 7 years can be mid/long term success.
The bloke is a kokweed.
I can't believe he doesn't go after losers like Longmire and Fagan and constantly goes hard after Hardwick.
No. I'm a Richmond member. Are you?
There's no way we brought them in for mid/long term success primarily. We brought them in to try and contend again now and in the next couple of years and we will worry about the long term as we go.
Is it a good strategy? I don't know, Cornes doesn't know, no-one knows. All we can do is wait and see, but I think they are all fair points about what the potential risk of what we are doing is.
If we finish top 4 this year or next and get a good look at a flag shot then it's the right move, if we don't then Cornes is right and it was a bad strategy.
Did Dimma play/coach when this prick played at Port? Maybe something happened then.
